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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 1983780" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>I've got quite some Berger bullets on my reloading room shelves. .284, .308, and .338. </p><p></p><p>They've had their tips uniformed and countersunk with Kevin Cram's meplat uniforming and countersinking tools. All in the effort to ensure reliable expansion. I believe that effort was successful. At least all the ones I hit game animals with after processing the tips expanded on game animals. Which was an improvement from my prior experiences. Those that have followed Berger bullet threads in this Forum over the years, may remember that I was the first (to the best of my belief) to raise the issue of the closed tips on some of Bergers bullets being a suspected cause of some Bergers full metal jacketing thru game animals (back in 2012). This link will lead to the Thread where I presented my original findings and concerns, and where Berger's Eric Stecker initially responded to them... Shortly after that post, most avid Berger bullet guys began checking the tips of their bullets prior to use, to ensure they weren't closed. They either cull the closed tips for target use and sight-in use, or open the tips with drill bits prior to use on game animals.</p><p> </p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/pics-of-berger-bullets-not-performing.103068/page-3[/URL]</p><p></p><p>So even though I was successful in eliminating the failures to expand with my Berger bullets, I tired of the meat shredding. Last straw was a heart shot caribou at 720yds with the 300gr OTM from my .338 Rogue (version of Lapua Improved). The bullet simply caused too much shoulder meat damage for my liking, even though the line of penetration of the bullet largely avoided the shoulder muscle, and bullet velocity at impact distance was relatively low. To each their own. I struggled with the performance of these bullets for too long. I'd had enough. Yes, I had some positive experiences, but too many disappointments on a percentage of use basis to continue with them. To each their own. </p><p></p><p>I have no plans to ever shoot another game animal with them. I should probably put them up for sale, along with the Kevin Cram Meplat Uniforming tools. No use for them for hunting, and don't need the meplat uniforming tools for the bullets I now hunt with.</p><p></p><p>For those interested in accurate bullets that both reduce bullet-caused meat carnage AND provide very lethal bullet performance on big game, I'm comfortable recommending the Badlands Precision Bulldozer bullets (based on my personal experiences), or the Hammer line of bullets (based on multiple accounts from many different users on this Forum). Both bullets are lathe-turned copper monolithics. These copper monolithics greatly reduce (around 80-90% reduction) meat shredding and carnage, compared to fragile lead jacketed bullets. And deep penetration is assured. The lathe turned copper-turned monolithics cost more per bullet, which could be an issue for busting a bunch of rocks on the hillsides while practicing in the hinterlands. But I find bullet costs are a pretty minimal expense, compared to all the other equipment I purchase, plus the other non-equipment costs I incur, - associated with my long range hunting.</p><p></p><p>Again, to each his own. World peace... <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😇" title="Smiling face with halo :innocent:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f607.png" data-shortname=":innocent:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 1983780, member: 4191"] I've got quite some Berger bullets on my reloading room shelves. .284, .308, and .338. They've had their tips uniformed and countersunk with Kevin Cram's meplat uniforming and countersinking tools. All in the effort to ensure reliable expansion. I believe that effort was successful. At least all the ones I hit game animals with after processing the tips expanded on game animals. Which was an improvement from my prior experiences. Those that have followed Berger bullet threads in this Forum over the years, may remember that I was the first (to the best of my belief) to raise the issue of the closed tips on some of Bergers bullets being a suspected cause of some Bergers full metal jacketing thru game animals (back in 2012). This link will lead to the Thread where I presented my original findings and concerns, and where Berger's Eric Stecker initially responded to them... Shortly after that post, most avid Berger bullet guys began checking the tips of their bullets prior to use, to ensure they weren't closed. They either cull the closed tips for target use and sight-in use, or open the tips with drill bits prior to use on game animals. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/pics-of-berger-bullets-not-performing.103068/page-3[/URL] So even though I was successful in eliminating the failures to expand with my Berger bullets, I tired of the meat shredding. Last straw was a heart shot caribou at 720yds with the 300gr OTM from my .338 Rogue (version of Lapua Improved). The bullet simply caused too much shoulder meat damage for my liking, even though the line of penetration of the bullet largely avoided the shoulder muscle, and bullet velocity at impact distance was relatively low. To each their own. I struggled with the performance of these bullets for too long. I'd had enough. Yes, I had some positive experiences, but too many disappointments on a percentage of use basis to continue with them. To each their own. I have no plans to ever shoot another game animal with them. I should probably put them up for sale, along with the Kevin Cram Meplat Uniforming tools. No use for them for hunting, and don't need the meplat uniforming tools for the bullets I now hunt with. For those interested in accurate bullets that both reduce bullet-caused meat carnage AND provide very lethal bullet performance on big game, I'm comfortable recommending the Badlands Precision Bulldozer bullets (based on my personal experiences), or the Hammer line of bullets (based on multiple accounts from many different users on this Forum). Both bullets are lathe-turned copper monolithics. These copper monolithics greatly reduce (around 80-90% reduction) meat shredding and carnage, compared to fragile lead jacketed bullets. And deep penetration is assured. The lathe turned copper-turned monolithics cost more per bullet, which could be an issue for busting a bunch of rocks on the hillsides while practicing in the hinterlands. But I find bullet costs are a pretty minimal expense, compared to all the other equipment I purchase, plus the other non-equipment costs I incur, - associated with my long range hunting. Again, to each his own. World peace... 😇 [/QUOTE]
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