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<blockquote data-quote="AJ Peacock" data-source="post: 226524" data-attributes="member: 4885"><p>I'm trying to get the "truth out", you didn't point out where I said they were the same yet. Please for the sake of the truth, please do so now <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p></p><p>What I said was, "...when looking at <u><strong>all possible cartridges</strong></u>, the .243 and 7mm-08 are NOT far apart." NOTICE, I did NOT say "the same"!</p><p></p><p>So lets look at SOME possible cartridges using KE (because it's easy to use).</p><p></p><p>22-250 40gr bullet 3900 fps KE = 1350</p><p>.243 95gr bullet 3000fps KE = 1900</p><p>7mm-08 140gr bullet 2800fps KE = 2400</p><p>270 Win 130gr bullet 2950fps KE = 2511</p><p>.308 168gr bullet 2650fps KE = 2619</p><p>30-06 180gr bullet 2650fps KE = 2806</p><p>7mm RM 160gr bullet 3000fps KE = 3196</p><p>300WSM 200gr bullet 2900fps KE = 3734</p><p> ... a lot more calibers on this end of the scale.</p><p></p><p>So to add some clarity to my statement (and I quote) "...when looking at <u><strong>all possible cartridges</strong></u>, the .243 and 7mm-08 are NOT far apart." They are both on the 'light' end of any discussion of Big Game calibers (one example is the list above). And to answer your question, I don't feel that 500ft lbs and .041" caliber difference is very much. You may feel differently and that is your prerogative. </p><p></p><p>We could use SD or Taylor etc. Both of which favor frontal area and weight. The .243 and the 7mm-08 would still BOTH be on the light end of the spectrum <u><strong>of all possible cartridges</strong></u>. I recommend at least a .30 caliber for Elk (I use .338 personally). </p><p></p><p>The original poster asked our opinions. I gave mine and you gave yours. You can show me a railroad car full of elk that you've personally shot with a 7mm-08, all with one shot kills; I still will not be convinced that the 7mm-08 is a caliber well suited to elk hunting (I'm not talking about sub 200yd shooting of perfect shots, that is not what the original poster asked).</p><p></p><p>AJ</p><p></p><p>ps: As far as showing you one elk that can withstand your 'magical' 7mm-08 160gr bullet through the boiler room. That isn't the issue; sometimes lightweight cartridges <u><strong>don't reach the boiler room</strong></u>; even when the shooter does everything possible to make it happen. For the sake of the elk, I hope you never find one that decides to shrug off a good hit, or happens to put a large bone in the way of your perfect shot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AJ Peacock, post: 226524, member: 4885"] I'm trying to get the "truth out", you didn't point out where I said they were the same yet. Please for the sake of the truth, please do so now ;). What I said was, "...when looking at [U][B]all possible cartridges[/B][/U], the .243 and 7mm-08 are NOT far apart." NOTICE, I did NOT say "the same"! So lets look at SOME possible cartridges using KE (because it's easy to use). 22-250 40gr bullet 3900 fps KE = 1350 .243 95gr bullet 3000fps KE = 1900 7mm-08 140gr bullet 2800fps KE = 2400 270 Win 130gr bullet 2950fps KE = 2511 .308 168gr bullet 2650fps KE = 2619 30-06 180gr bullet 2650fps KE = 2806 7mm RM 160gr bullet 3000fps KE = 3196 300WSM 200gr bullet 2900fps KE = 3734 ... a lot more calibers on this end of the scale. So to add some clarity to my statement (and I quote) "...when looking at [U][B]all possible cartridges[/B][/U], the .243 and 7mm-08 are NOT far apart." They are both on the 'light' end of any discussion of Big Game calibers (one example is the list above). And to answer your question, I don't feel that 500ft lbs and .041" caliber difference is very much. You may feel differently and that is your prerogative. We could use SD or Taylor etc. Both of which favor frontal area and weight. The .243 and the 7mm-08 would still BOTH be on the light end of the spectrum [U][B]of all possible cartridges[/B][/U]. I recommend at least a .30 caliber for Elk (I use .338 personally). The original poster asked our opinions. I gave mine and you gave yours. You can show me a railroad car full of elk that you've personally shot with a 7mm-08, all with one shot kills; I still will not be convinced that the 7mm-08 is a caliber well suited to elk hunting (I'm not talking about sub 200yd shooting of perfect shots, that is not what the original poster asked). AJ ps: As far as showing you one elk that can withstand your 'magical' 7mm-08 160gr bullet through the boiler room. That isn't the issue; sometimes lightweight cartridges [U][B]don't reach the boiler room[/B][/U]; even when the shooter does everything possible to make it happen. For the sake of the elk, I hope you never find one that decides to shrug off a good hit, or happens to put a large bone in the way of your perfect shot. [/QUOTE]
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