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<blockquote data-quote="Ian M" data-source="post: 94808" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>When I look at that picture I do not see a muzzleloader as such. No ramrod guides, no ignition designed by the original factory to be used for muzzleloading. You can put little teeny chunks of C4 down from the muzzle and call something a muzzleloader, but... Might be beating the system in your state, enjoy every minute. I would love to shoot that rifle, would be interesting to shoot out to its max effective range. I enjoy the challenge of shooting in wind and no doubt wind would be a big factor out where that rig will launch bullets to. There are some amazing bullet designs on at least two drawing boards that would be very interesting in that rifle - just hope they make it to market. Will put a grin on your face. </p><p></p><p>Those velocities and accuracy are impressive, but they are not where the muzzleloading industry intends to keep the sport (as I am told by those nasty guys who design Omegas etc. and actually make money from them). I keep remembering what happened in Colorado - still hasn't been fixed /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif</p><p></p><p>You guys seem to think I have a problem with smokeless - fact is I do not. Play with the toys, enjoy every minute out there. I was offered a Savage back when the first ones were being shipped to writers, was up to my ears in other stuff at the time and decided to wait a bit and see where it went. Some stuff took place I did not agree with so I just never followed up on the rifle. Several friends have them, I can shoot them or borrow one in a heartbeat. Have helped guys get them shooting, just got enough on my plate that messing with smokeless is not very high right now. I try to keep abreast of where muzzleloading is at, right now there are enough new in-lines to work with, scopes and bullet developements that I am about busy enough. </p><p></p><p>Next big project for me is to determine actual leads required on moving targets. Will use two loads, two bullet weights in fifty yard increments at known velocities with my brand new electronic moving target system. Going to be interesting and will burn a bunch of powder (won't go into what powder, kind of a sensitive area here all of a sudden /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ). Rifles will probably be an old Knight Wolverine and an old Encore that has been shot so much I have about worn out its second trigger system. Scopes will be interesting, mildot for sure. I go through cases of powder when I get into this kind of thing, lots of fun for my buds who get to help out. Some of you guys are obviously muzzleloader fanatics, wish you were available to help. </p><p></p><p>Last project I did was on drop and drift, shot so much one of my buds took five raps on the forehead in one day. He had blood dripping off his chin, had to quit shooting because his groups were opening up a bunch. We never told him about all the dried blood on his face, when we got back to town he went into a 7-11 and the clerk's eyes nearly bugged out when she saw his face. I photograph every group with digital so have nice records of all that shooting, plus keep data sheets during the shoot. We are talking a lot of white smoke but it is fun and keeps me off the streets.</p><p></p><p>Not trying to get anyone's goat here, interesting stuff and I enjoy the opportunity to learn what others are doing. Matter of fact we kind of sidetracked away from the original question and that pees Mr. Len off so I am out of here this time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ian M, post: 94808, member: 25"] When I look at that picture I do not see a muzzleloader as such. No ramrod guides, no ignition designed by the original factory to be used for muzzleloading. You can put little teeny chunks of C4 down from the muzzle and call something a muzzleloader, but... Might be beating the system in your state, enjoy every minute. I would love to shoot that rifle, would be interesting to shoot out to its max effective range. I enjoy the challenge of shooting in wind and no doubt wind would be a big factor out where that rig will launch bullets to. There are some amazing bullet designs on at least two drawing boards that would be very interesting in that rifle - just hope they make it to market. Will put a grin on your face. Those velocities and accuracy are impressive, but they are not where the muzzleloading industry intends to keep the sport (as I am told by those nasty guys who design Omegas etc. and actually make money from them). I keep remembering what happened in Colorado - still hasn't been fixed [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] You guys seem to think I have a problem with smokeless - fact is I do not. Play with the toys, enjoy every minute out there. I was offered a Savage back when the first ones were being shipped to writers, was up to my ears in other stuff at the time and decided to wait a bit and see where it went. Some stuff took place I did not agree with so I just never followed up on the rifle. Several friends have them, I can shoot them or borrow one in a heartbeat. Have helped guys get them shooting, just got enough on my plate that messing with smokeless is not very high right now. I try to keep abreast of where muzzleloading is at, right now there are enough new in-lines to work with, scopes and bullet developements that I am about busy enough. Next big project for me is to determine actual leads required on moving targets. Will use two loads, two bullet weights in fifty yard increments at known velocities with my brand new electronic moving target system. Going to be interesting and will burn a bunch of powder (won't go into what powder, kind of a sensitive area here all of a sudden [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] ). Rifles will probably be an old Knight Wolverine and an old Encore that has been shot so much I have about worn out its second trigger system. Scopes will be interesting, mildot for sure. I go through cases of powder when I get into this kind of thing, lots of fun for my buds who get to help out. Some of you guys are obviously muzzleloader fanatics, wish you were available to help. Last project I did was on drop and drift, shot so much one of my buds took five raps on the forehead in one day. He had blood dripping off his chin, had to quit shooting because his groups were opening up a bunch. We never told him about all the dried blood on his face, when we got back to town he went into a 7-11 and the clerk's eyes nearly bugged out when she saw his face. I photograph every group with digital so have nice records of all that shooting, plus keep data sheets during the shoot. We are talking a lot of white smoke but it is fun and keeps me off the streets. Not trying to get anyone's goat here, interesting stuff and I enjoy the opportunity to learn what others are doing. Matter of fact we kind of sidetracked away from the original question and that pees Mr. Len off so I am out of here this time. [/QUOTE]
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