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Which Muzzleloader is best for the money??
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<blockquote data-quote="Ian M" data-source="post: 94481" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>Guys, you are forgetting that Hodgdens sells smokeless powder that would work, they are also manufacturing Pyrodex and 777 because that pressure level is what many existing muzzleloaders were designed for. Safety is it, the industry has to consider that there are some incredibly poorly designed in-lines out there from the past and they cannot take the chance of some guy loading one of those rifles with smokeless. Totally different pressures involved. The muzzleloading industry does not support smokeless, that is a hard fact. The major companies in the industry were unanimous in a letter expressing that fact a few years back. </p><p>I liken smokeless to souping-up cars to go very fast, yet our speed limits are set and they are not going to change.</p><p>Might be wrong, the industry might do a flip-flop but I would not hold my breath. There is some new stuff coming, I will be shooting some of it shortly at a factory but - it ain't smokeless.</p><p>You are correct, this is long range hunting and we can enjoy the challenge of long range hunting with muzzleloaders using any propellant. Bottom line is we only get one shot at a time. If the industry lets velocities and performance get too close to centerfire then I believe the game agencies will react and shut down nitro-cel based propellants. Question will be "Why not hunt with a Ruger #1 if you want to shoot a single shot?" and there is no good answer. I would enjoy the smokeless performance but keep it low-key so stupid rumors do not get rolling. Remember what happened in Colorado several years ago - still not fixed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ian M, post: 94481, member: 25"] Guys, you are forgetting that Hodgdens sells smokeless powder that would work, they are also manufacturing Pyrodex and 777 because that pressure level is what many existing muzzleloaders were designed for. Safety is it, the industry has to consider that there are some incredibly poorly designed in-lines out there from the past and they cannot take the chance of some guy loading one of those rifles with smokeless. Totally different pressures involved. The muzzleloading industry does not support smokeless, that is a hard fact. The major companies in the industry were unanimous in a letter expressing that fact a few years back. I liken smokeless to souping-up cars to go very fast, yet our speed limits are set and they are not going to change. Might be wrong, the industry might do a flip-flop but I would not hold my breath. There is some new stuff coming, I will be shooting some of it shortly at a factory but - it ain't smokeless. You are correct, this is long range hunting and we can enjoy the challenge of long range hunting with muzzleloaders using any propellant. Bottom line is we only get one shot at a time. If the industry lets velocities and performance get too close to centerfire then I believe the game agencies will react and shut down nitro-cel based propellants. Question will be "Why not hunt with a Ruger #1 if you want to shoot a single shot?" and there is no good answer. I would enjoy the smokeless performance but keep it low-key so stupid rumors do not get rolling. Remember what happened in Colorado several years ago - still not fixed. [/QUOTE]
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