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<blockquote data-quote="edge" data-source="post: 94463" data-attributes="member: 5030"><p>I have a completely different view.</p><p></p><p>Please don't be offended, but this IS LONGrangehunting.com! I don't begrudge a flinter or bowhunter for their choice of weapon, and they should not do the same should someone choose a 300WSM. That would be like saying that all rifles should be limited to 28,000psi since the 50-140 is!</p><p></p><p>Onto why other major manufacturers are not making smokeless muzzleloaders.</p><p>IMO, there is only one reason, and safety is NOT it! </p><p>Every year Knight and the others come out with new hyped advertisements for their new super BP rifles. IMO, people keep trying to reach long distance with ML rifles and they are being spoon fed a few yards at a time to sell more rifles.</p><p></p><p>IMO, Properly made Smokeless rifles shooting sabotted bullets are MUCH safer than BP! </p><p></p><p>IMO, Knight and the others have smokeless rifles ready for production and once another major manufacturer comes out with one the entire industry will change overnight.</p><p></p><p>In the Savage ML community there is considerable experimentation along the lines taken on this board all of the time. Perhaps distances are not as great, but the challenge is the same. I personally have replaced my Savage barrel with a Krieger 505 Gibbs 1:20 twist barrel and shoot a 150 grain 8mm Sierra bullet. Many others have added Pac-Nor barrels of varying bores and twists to improve their performance.</p><p></p><p>Smokeless may be in its infancy, but it will be the future of long range muzzleloading.</p><p></p><p>IMO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif</p><p></p><p>edge.</p><p></p><p>PS Pyrodex was invented in the 1970s and smokeless in the 1880s. Duplex loads involving smokeless have been around in ML's for a hundred years, so I don't think that the idea is really new!</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p>Guys,</p><p>Smokeless has not gone over the way that some companies hoped, therefore Knight, T/C, Traditions and CVA are not rushing smokeless rifles to the market. Believe me, they all looked at it and decided against it for safety reasons,</p><p>SNIP</p><p></p><p>Please don't forget where muzzleloading came from - 300 yards is a good challenge but so is getting in to 15 yards with a flinter. My heart beats way faster when I am in close, one blink can blow it. Sometimes it is good to take a step backwards instead of foreward. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="edge, post: 94463, member: 5030"] I have a completely different view. Please don't be offended, but this IS LONGrangehunting.com! I don't begrudge a flinter or bowhunter for their choice of weapon, and they should not do the same should someone choose a 300WSM. That would be like saying that all rifles should be limited to 28,000psi since the 50-140 is! Onto why other major manufacturers are not making smokeless muzzleloaders. IMO, there is only one reason, and safety is NOT it! Every year Knight and the others come out with new hyped advertisements for their new super BP rifles. IMO, people keep trying to reach long distance with ML rifles and they are being spoon fed a few yards at a time to sell more rifles. IMO, Properly made Smokeless rifles shooting sabotted bullets are MUCH safer than BP! IMO, Knight and the others have smokeless rifles ready for production and once another major manufacturer comes out with one the entire industry will change overnight. In the Savage ML community there is considerable experimentation along the lines taken on this board all of the time. Perhaps distances are not as great, but the challenge is the same. I personally have replaced my Savage barrel with a Krieger 505 Gibbs 1:20 twist barrel and shoot a 150 grain 8mm Sierra bullet. Many others have added Pac-Nor barrels of varying bores and twists to improve their performance. Smokeless may be in its infancy, but it will be the future of long range muzzleloading. IMO [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] edge. PS Pyrodex was invented in the 1970s and smokeless in the 1880s. Duplex loads involving smokeless have been around in ML's for a hundred years, so I don't think that the idea is really new! [ QUOTE ] Guys, Smokeless has not gone over the way that some companies hoped, therefore Knight, T/C, Traditions and CVA are not rushing smokeless rifles to the market. Believe me, they all looked at it and decided against it for safety reasons, SNIP Please don't forget where muzzleloading came from - 300 yards is a good challenge but so is getting in to 15 yards with a flinter. My heart beats way faster when I am in close, one blink can blow it. Sometimes it is good to take a step backwards instead of foreward. [/ QUOTE ] [/QUOTE]
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