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<blockquote data-quote="Taj" data-source="post: 3085484" data-attributes="member: 98000"><p>Working for one of the bigger ammo companies as an LE guy, I've shot a lot of gelatin. "jello" is not anatomy but does make for a consistent media for bullet performance comparisons. Most of the defensive calibers used by LE are doing a good job these days. Mostly due to a set of criteria (FBI Protocol) that's been established for terminal performance, i.e. penetration, weight retention and expansion. That being said, shot placement is still the most important factor. Part of my job is talking to the agencies and officers that are using our ammo and getting feed back on terminal performance. Most agencies have gone to the 9mm cartridge these days and the heavier 9mm bullets (124-147 grain) are doing a good job. The better bullets are either bonded or have some mechanical means of locking the core and jacket together. Bullets that stay together penetrate better and penetration is the second key factor in terminal performance. The 9 muther-muther is doing a good job and stats in the last few years are showing little diff in terminal performance of 9, .40 and .45acp. I still shoot them all when I do ballistic workshops and they all get good reliable penetration and generally expand very consistently. I do have the opinion that bigger (larger diameter) bullets offer an advantage but it is impossible to put a number on that advantage. There are just too many variables with every shooting. Departments just don't have the budget to train folks to handle heavier recoiling handguns in .40 or .45acp and any hit with a 9mm is better than a miss with a .45. That plus the fact capacity is always a concern these days due to a higher likelihood of multiple assailant encounters. shot placement, penetration are paramount, and expansion at any level is a bonus and the one thing that is hard to control. Hollow points that get plugged with clothing or any other material becomes an FMJ. Most companies are looking to other methods of generating expansion other than "hydraulic". Impact generated expansion seems to be the future for defensive ammo but does create a whole new set of issues.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Taj, post: 3085484, member: 98000"] Working for one of the bigger ammo companies as an LE guy, I've shot a lot of gelatin. "jello" is not anatomy but does make for a consistent media for bullet performance comparisons. Most of the defensive calibers used by LE are doing a good job these days. Mostly due to a set of criteria (FBI Protocol) that's been established for terminal performance, i.e. penetration, weight retention and expansion. That being said, shot placement is still the most important factor. Part of my job is talking to the agencies and officers that are using our ammo and getting feed back on terminal performance. Most agencies have gone to the 9mm cartridge these days and the heavier 9mm bullets (124-147 grain) are doing a good job. The better bullets are either bonded or have some mechanical means of locking the core and jacket together. Bullets that stay together penetrate better and penetration is the second key factor in terminal performance. The 9 muther-muther is doing a good job and stats in the last few years are showing little diff in terminal performance of 9, .40 and .45acp. I still shoot them all when I do ballistic workshops and they all get good reliable penetration and generally expand very consistently. I do have the opinion that bigger (larger diameter) bullets offer an advantage but it is impossible to put a number on that advantage. There are just too many variables with every shooting. Departments just don't have the budget to train folks to handle heavier recoiling handguns in .40 or .45acp and any hit with a 9mm is better than a miss with a .45. That plus the fact capacity is always a concern these days due to a higher likelihood of multiple assailant encounters. shot placement, penetration are paramount, and expansion at any level is a bonus and the one thing that is hard to control. Hollow points that get plugged with clothing or any other material becomes an FMJ. Most companies are looking to other methods of generating expansion other than "hydraulic". Impact generated expansion seems to be the future for defensive ammo but does create a whole new set of issues. [/QUOTE]
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