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What second rifle for western hunting?
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<blockquote data-quote="JemezDave" data-source="post: 3029649" data-attributes="member: 108070"><p>I stand by what I said. 10 twist is too slow to run a 212 Barnes and I bet you can't explain why. I don't like the way belted cartridges feed and, just don't like them. That case was adapted from an antique cartridge to make another cartridge. Never said the 300WM was a slouch in the accuracy department, I just like the PRC better-no aggravations at all. PRS-I don't shoot PRS but correct me if I'm wrong all you have to do is hit the plate at whatever range no? I hope that doesn't carry over to your big game hunting. I like more precision than that for game. I had the Willis die-it is still a good check that you don't need for non-belted cartridges. Also, I never bump .003. I bump for just a little feel before the bolt stops. Much longer brass life that way and you'll never have to have a gunsmith pull a separated case from your rifle.</p><p>I posted a pic comparing 212 ELDX in 300WM and PRC. I tried to match the case ends pretty close but you get the idea. You would need to ream the WM to seat that bullet out. How many grains of powder do you think you lose in the WM because of that long bullet in the powder column?</p><p>Yes in your ARC example factory ammo can be consistent. But what I said is the factory ammo will never be as good as what a good handloader can produce for a specific rifle. But if you think it is, knock yourself out and go with the factory ammo. Can't argue with 4" at 800, but how often were you hitting it? 1 in 10, 2 in 10 shots? How do you know that's the best you can do? What was the standard deviation for those rounds? I'll bet you don't even know. And again, what I said was, you won't win an accuracy contest at long range with over the counter ammo against people that know what they're doing. I didn't say you can't do quite well in PRS. Anyway, I see you know everything so why did you ask? Sorry I replied at all. You're right and I'm wrong-feel better? Ha!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JemezDave, post: 3029649, member: 108070"] I stand by what I said. 10 twist is too slow to run a 212 Barnes and I bet you can't explain why. I don't like the way belted cartridges feed and, just don't like them. That case was adapted from an antique cartridge to make another cartridge. Never said the 300WM was a slouch in the accuracy department, I just like the PRC better-no aggravations at all. PRS-I don't shoot PRS but correct me if I'm wrong all you have to do is hit the plate at whatever range no? I hope that doesn't carry over to your big game hunting. I like more precision than that for game. I had the Willis die-it is still a good check that you don't need for non-belted cartridges. Also, I never bump .003. I bump for just a little feel before the bolt stops. Much longer brass life that way and you'll never have to have a gunsmith pull a separated case from your rifle. I posted a pic comparing 212 ELDX in 300WM and PRC. I tried to match the case ends pretty close but you get the idea. You would need to ream the WM to seat that bullet out. How many grains of powder do you think you lose in the WM because of that long bullet in the powder column? Yes in your ARC example factory ammo can be consistent. But what I said is the factory ammo will never be as good as what a good handloader can produce for a specific rifle. But if you think it is, knock yourself out and go with the factory ammo. Can't argue with 4" at 800, but how often were you hitting it? 1 in 10, 2 in 10 shots? How do you know that's the best you can do? What was the standard deviation for those rounds? I'll bet you don't even know. And again, what I said was, you won't win an accuracy contest at long range with over the counter ammo against people that know what they're doing. I didn't say you can't do quite well in PRS. Anyway, I see you know everything so why did you ask? Sorry I replied at all. You're right and I'm wrong-feel better? Ha! [/QUOTE]
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