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<blockquote data-quote="THEIS" data-source="post: 1282373" data-attributes="member: 99239"><p>Hello Doc,</p><p></p><p>This question seems to come up about every 2.5 years.</p><p></p><p>My "short" version opinion is ELR should be a set distance so that ELR is a constant value and not a variable value that slides from left to right based on what caliber a shooter is using.</p><p></p><p>My "longer" version opinion is this:</p><p>I am not a fan of basing ELR off TS/SS distances based off a cartridge MV scale because that puts way way too many variables into the equation. </p><p>TS/SS at my shooting location can be different that TS/SS at your shooting location even though we have same cartridge.</p><p>Basing ELR of TS/SS distances confuses the ELR realm even more than it already is <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Having TS/SS as the deciding factor puts a 300BO shooter discussing ELR realm when we all know the 300BO is not "really" ELR system.</p><p></p><p>Way back in the day when the ELR phrase was coined it was common practice/principle that 2000yd was considered ELR. But you have to remember that was back when the ELR community in regards to commercial entities was probably about 16 people. **** even 10 years after the 408CT went public there were many in the industry that said the 338LM was NOT capable of 2707yd after the release of Craig Harrisons shots. Now fast forward to today and we have people doing 3700yd with 338LM and 338NM.</p><p></p><p>So in summary....The "old" ELR of 2000yd needs to be revised to better match the vast improvements in case design, bullet design and shooter discipline. 2 years after the ELR phrase was coined there actually was another phrase coined to coincide with the 375CT capable distances...It was ULR (Ultra Long Range). So maybe industry should set ELR as 2000m-3000m and bring back ULR and have it be 3001m+</p><p>Instead of having TS/SS be the sliding scale deciding ELR by cartridge; we slide the distances seen as ELR and ULR to match industry and shooter improvements.</p><p></p><p>THEIS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="THEIS, post: 1282373, member: 99239"] Hello Doc, This question seems to come up about every 2.5 years. My "short" version opinion is ELR should be a set distance so that ELR is a constant value and not a variable value that slides from left to right based on what caliber a shooter is using. My "longer" version opinion is this: I am not a fan of basing ELR off TS/SS distances based off a cartridge MV scale because that puts way way too many variables into the equation. TS/SS at my shooting location can be different that TS/SS at your shooting location even though we have same cartridge. Basing ELR of TS/SS distances confuses the ELR realm even more than it already is :) Having TS/SS as the deciding factor puts a 300BO shooter discussing ELR realm when we all know the 300BO is not "really" ELR system. Way back in the day when the ELR phrase was coined it was common practice/principle that 2000yd was considered ELR. But you have to remember that was back when the ELR community in regards to commercial entities was probably about 16 people. **** even 10 years after the 408CT went public there were many in the industry that said the 338LM was NOT capable of 2707yd after the release of Craig Harrisons shots. Now fast forward to today and we have people doing 3700yd with 338LM and 338NM. So in summary....The "old" ELR of 2000yd needs to be revised to better match the vast improvements in case design, bullet design and shooter discipline. 2 years after the ELR phrase was coined there actually was another phrase coined to coincide with the 375CT capable distances...It was ULR (Ultra Long Range). So maybe industry should set ELR as 2000m-3000m and bring back ULR and have it be 3001m+ Instead of having TS/SS be the sliding scale deciding ELR by cartridge; we slide the distances seen as ELR and ULR to match industry and shooter improvements. THEIS [/QUOTE]
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