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What irritates me about sub MOA
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<blockquote data-quote="BryanLitz" data-source="post: 1035307" data-attributes="member: 7848"><p>My deal is, sub MOA isn't the big factor in hitting targets at long range.</p><p></p><p>I'll illustrate with an example.</p><p></p><p>Imagine you have a group of LR Hunters assembled and you ask them: </p><p></p><p>"Who would bet $50 they can shoot under 1 MOA groups at 100 yards?"</p><p></p><p>Every hand should go up.</p><p></p><p>Now ask:</p><p></p><p>"Who would bet $50 they can shoot under 1 MOA groups at 1000 yards?"</p><p></p><p>Nearly every hand would go up, possibly with some comments about wind condition.</p><p></p><p>Finally, you ask:</p><p></p><p>"Who would bet $50 they can hit a 10" target at 1000 yards on your first shot?"</p><p></p><p>If you're asking a group of experienced and realistic LR Hunters, you'll see far fewer hands on this question.</p><p></p><p>This line of questioning illustrates the difference between 'precision', which is shooting groups, and 'accuracy', which is centering groups.</p><p></p><p>Getting 1 MOA precision, even at 1000 yards is not so difficult as you've said.</p><p></p><p>But, hitting 1 MOA targets requires accuracy in addition to precision. And since hitting targets is what LRH is all about, we can't marginalize the importance of accuracy.</p><p></p><p>Achieving precision is all about handloading, quality equipment, and shooting skills. However, accuracy is a much different skillset, which relies on your ability to determine range, wind, and use a ballistics program effectively to determine correct elevation and wind.</p><p></p><p>So when I see a discussion about a rifle that's a 1/4 MOA vs. 1/2 MOA, what I'm thinking is: so can one hit a 2.5" target at 1000, and the other can hit a 5" target? NO! The size target they're able to hit at LR has much more to do with the shooters mastery of the factors affecting accuracy, rather than precision.</p><p></p><p>-Bryan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryanLitz, post: 1035307, member: 7848"] My deal is, sub MOA isn't the big factor in hitting targets at long range. I'll illustrate with an example. Imagine you have a group of LR Hunters assembled and you ask them: "Who would bet $50 they can shoot under 1 MOA groups at 100 yards?" Every hand should go up. Now ask: "Who would bet $50 they can shoot under 1 MOA groups at 1000 yards?" Nearly every hand would go up, possibly with some comments about wind condition. Finally, you ask: "Who would bet $50 they can hit a 10" target at 1000 yards on your first shot?" If you're asking a group of experienced and realistic LR Hunters, you'll see far fewer hands on this question. This line of questioning illustrates the difference between 'precision', which is shooting groups, and 'accuracy', which is centering groups. Getting 1 MOA precision, even at 1000 yards is not so difficult as you've said. But, hitting 1 MOA targets requires accuracy in addition to precision. And since hitting targets is what LRH is all about, we can't marginalize the importance of accuracy. Achieving precision is all about handloading, quality equipment, and shooting skills. However, accuracy is a much different skillset, which relies on your ability to determine range, wind, and use a ballistics program effectively to determine correct elevation and wind. So when I see a discussion about a rifle that's a 1/4 MOA vs. 1/2 MOA, what I'm thinking is: so can one hit a 2.5" target at 1000, and the other can hit a 5" target? NO! The size target they're able to hit at LR has much more to do with the shooters mastery of the factors affecting accuracy, rather than precision. -Bryan [/QUOTE]
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