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Vortex Viper PST vs Weaver Tactical
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<blockquote data-quote="TexasWicked1" data-source="post: 613708" data-attributes="member: 41155"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Nimrod-</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">I have used the PST 4-16 and Weaver's Tactical 3-15.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Both of them are so close to identical it's not funny. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Both utilize FFP, which is huge when using a mil-based reticle. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Also the fact that they are both available in matching turrets is helpful. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">I never understood, why it would be MOA adjustments on a mil reticle. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">Considering, <span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">MOA (minute of angle) is an angular measurement and so is (MIL) miliradian. It is a coincidence that when MOA is converted into a linear measurement that it subtends 1.047 inches at 100 yards. That is so close to 1" that most people consider it to be 1" at 100 yards. So a scope with .25 MOA adjustments translates to each click moving the reticle .25 of an inch at 100 yards.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is a coincidence that 1/10 of a mil is 1 centimeter at 100 meters so most people go with metrics linear measurements for mil scopes. MOA and MIL are not standard and metric measurements they are simple angular measurements, many people think mil is metric but it is not.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">If you can make your brain stop having to apply a linear measurement to your angular adjustments it is quite a bit easier to use a mil scope. You do this by using the reticle as a ruler to adjust for how much you missed the target. Say you are shooting 864 yards and you miss low, if you can see how much you missed then you put the reticle on where you were aiming and count how many mils it is to where your shot actually went. If it was 2.5 mils, then you just turn your elevation 2.5 mils in the direction you missed. It does not matter how far or how close you are shooting because it is an angular measurement. Mix matched scopes will soon be a thing of the past as it makes no sense to combine the two in one scope. All scopes with mil based reticles should have mil based clicks, I think in five years mil scopes with moa adjustments will be obsolete.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">I personally don't think that Hawke is in the same league as Vortex or Weaver, just yet. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">It has some of the same characteristics, but not close to how robust it is made and how much abuse it can take. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Plus, Vortex will come with an unlimited lifetime warranty. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Bbut I wanted to give the EMDR a go. </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #1f497d"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">All in all, I have enjoyed both of them.</span></span> </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TexasWicked1, post: 613708, member: 41155"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Nimrod-[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]I have used the PST 4-16 and Weaver's Tactical 3-15.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Both of them are so close to identical it's not funny. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Both utilize FFP, which is huge when using a mil-based reticle. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Also the fact that they are both available in matching turrets is helpful. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]I never understood, why it would be MOA adjustments on a mil reticle. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]Considering, [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]MOA (minute of angle) is an angular measurement and so is (MIL) miliradian. It is a coincidence that when MOA is converted into a linear measurement that it subtends 1.047 inches at 100 yards. That is so close to 1” that most people consider it to be 1” at 100 yards. So a scope with .25 MOA adjustments translates to each click moving the reticle .25 of an inch at 100 yards.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]It is a coincidence that 1/10 of a mil is 1 centimeter at 100 meters so most people go with metrics linear measurements for mil scopes. MOA and MIL are not standard and metric measurements they are simple angular measurements, many people think mil is metric but it is not.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]If you can make your brain stop having to apply a linear measurement to your angular adjustments it is quite a bit easier to use a mil scope. You do this by using the reticle as a ruler to adjust for how much you missed the target. Say you are shooting 864 yards and you miss low, if you can see how much you missed then you put the reticle on where you were aiming and count how many mils it is to where your shot actually went. If it was 2.5 mils, then you just turn your elevation 2.5 mils in the direction you missed. It does not matter how far or how close you are shooting because it is an angular measurement. Mix matched scopes will soon be a thing of the past as it makes no sense to combine the two in one scope. All scopes with mil based reticles should have mil based clicks, I think in five years mil scopes with moa adjustments will be obsolete.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]I personally don't think that Hawke is in the same league as Vortex or Weaver, just yet. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]It has some of the same characteristics, but not close to how robust it is made and how much abuse it can take. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Plus, Vortex will come with an unlimited lifetime warranty. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Bbut I wanted to give the EMDR a go. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]All in all, I have enjoyed both of them.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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