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<blockquote data-quote="SCL" data-source="post: 17582" data-attributes="member: 1720"><p>John,</p><p>Rather than ask if USO is better - ask yourself what your needs are. If you need glass for a mid range gun like a .308, don't plan on shooting past 1K or so, and like cross hairs or a std mil-dot reticle, then USO is not for you - there are dozens of excellent choices that are cheaper and will do the job you need quite nicely.</p><p></p><p>If you are shooting a .50 BMG, .408 wildcat, long range hot rod .338 wildcat, etc. at 2K yards, in varying light and weather conditions, want more than 150 MOA of elevation adjustment, etc. then USO is for you, because no one else currently offers stuff like this.</p><p></p><p>Its unfair to say "Don't say its a truly custom scope" as an argument...because that's what you are paying for. Its like saying you can't make the argument that the Ferrari is faster than the Porsche 911, but tell me which one is the better sports car.</p><p></p><p>I would love for NF to open up their product line or a custom shop for larger scopes - they would definitely give USO a run for their money and IMHO competition in the marketplace is a good thing for the consumer. Right now, USO really doesn't have a serious competitor in the ultra-long range scope market. 35 or 40mm NXS with 58mm obj, 200 - 225 MOA adjustment would be sweet!</p><p></p><p>I think you guys hit the nail on the head rearding the consistency of mass production vs. crafting a custom item. USO has so many options that hey are bound to miss something or let it fall through the cracks, and their customers may order something they really didn't want or need, or didn't make sense - i.e. a 40mm tube scope with EREK - why go with a tube with 200MOA capability and then limit it with a 45MOA turret? USO builds it they way you asked for it.</p><p></p><p>Is the USO glass better? To my eyes it is, and there is a big difference between the USO ultra hi-res lenses and NF glass if you are using an add-on device to turn your day scope into a nightscope. This is a personal judgement for every user.</p><p></p><p>Are the turrets better? They work the same for me, and my USO and NXS scopes both track well - NF's biggest weakness is that they need FFP reticles rather than RFP. My zero does shift slightly while moving through the power range on my NXS. Not enough to freak out - .23 MOA at 100 yds, but its there and consistent. My FFP USO has no zero shift - but you have be used to seeing the reticle vary with the magnification. I prefer this, but its a personal choice for all users.</p><p></p><p>Xring01,</p><p>Do you really think that USO let a faulty scope go out their door on pupose because thay are a dishonorable company? I can blame human error, misunderstandings, etc, but have a hard time swallowing that they are intentionally putting faulty goods out the door, thinking that their customer's will never find out. USO has acted honorably with me and provided acceptable customer service - to me. Other folks may have their own horror stories, but for every one of those there is a customer who had a great experience and loves their scope.</p><p></p><p>The question I have for you, is have you ever owner or extensively used an USO scope? You wrote:</p><p></p><p> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> posted 12-09-2003 10:47 AM </p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I own 2 NXS,s, have owned many Leupolds and Tasco SS...NXS is a great scope.</p><p></p><p>My military background taught me that I would be better off with people who act with Honor. I WILL NOT BUY ANY PRODUCT FROM A COMPANY THAT HAS ACTED DISHONORABLE.</p><p> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE></p><p></p><p>If you haven't then you are slamming a product due to the experiences of others - rather than have the benefit of personally experiencing both items and making an educated judgement.</p><p></p><p>As far as your whole honor speech goes...USO dealt honorably with me. We can all read the various posts from the lawsuit stuff and read what we want into them. However, we will never truly know everything of what was said, when, to whom, etc. Relationships (both business and professional) change over time and for a number of reasons. Is it honorable for you to pass judgement over someone when you aren't privy to all of the facts and weren't involved in the dispute?</p><p></p><p>As far as the honorable company thing goes - from where do you buy your gas for your car? Do you avoid exxon because they manipulated the courts and got away with a pittance for the damage the Exxon Valdiz spill caused to Alaska? How about union carbide and their payoff to the surviving family members in Bhopal? Do you own stocks in fortune 500 companies? What about Enron, Citibank, Arthur Andersen, Tyco, etc, etc. Have you boycotted all of corporate america after the recent financial scandals? Men act dishonorably, but IMHO an entire company should not be judged for the poor behavior of a small number of its employees (unless its a one man outfit).</p><p></p><p>IMHO this thread has run its course - the topic is one that has been debated to death here and in other forums. In the end, only you can judge if USO is worth the cost. My recommendation is to try them out if you can and then make an educated judgement, rather than reply on posts from the internet. I own both USO and NF, and they both are great for their intended purpose. YMMV.</p><p></p><p>SCL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SCL, post: 17582, member: 1720"] John, Rather than ask if USO is better - ask yourself what your needs are. If you need glass for a mid range gun like a .308, don't plan on shooting past 1K or so, and like cross hairs or a std mil-dot reticle, then USO is not for you - there are dozens of excellent choices that are cheaper and will do the job you need quite nicely. If you are shooting a .50 BMG, .408 wildcat, long range hot rod .338 wildcat, etc. at 2K yards, in varying light and weather conditions, want more than 150 MOA of elevation adjustment, etc. then USO is for you, because no one else currently offers stuff like this. Its unfair to say "Don't say its a truly custom scope" as an argument...because that's what you are paying for. Its like saying you can't make the argument that the Ferrari is faster than the Porsche 911, but tell me which one is the better sports car. I would love for NF to open up their product line or a custom shop for larger scopes - they would definitely give USO a run for their money and IMHO competition in the marketplace is a good thing for the consumer. Right now, USO really doesn't have a serious competitor in the ultra-long range scope market. 35 or 40mm NXS with 58mm obj, 200 - 225 MOA adjustment would be sweet! I think you guys hit the nail on the head rearding the consistency of mass production vs. crafting a custom item. USO has so many options that hey are bound to miss something or let it fall through the cracks, and their customers may order something they really didn't want or need, or didn't make sense - i.e. a 40mm tube scope with EREK - why go with a tube with 200MOA capability and then limit it with a 45MOA turret? USO builds it they way you asked for it. Is the USO glass better? To my eyes it is, and there is a big difference between the USO ultra hi-res lenses and NF glass if you are using an add-on device to turn your day scope into a nightscope. This is a personal judgement for every user. Are the turrets better? They work the same for me, and my USO and NXS scopes both track well - NF's biggest weakness is that they need FFP reticles rather than RFP. My zero does shift slightly while moving through the power range on my NXS. Not enough to freak out - .23 MOA at 100 yds, but its there and consistent. My FFP USO has no zero shift - but you have be used to seeing the reticle vary with the magnification. I prefer this, but its a personal choice for all users. Xring01, Do you really think that USO let a faulty scope go out their door on pupose because thay are a dishonorable company? I can blame human error, misunderstandings, etc, but have a hard time swallowing that they are intentionally putting faulty goods out the door, thinking that their customer's will never find out. USO has acted honorably with me and provided acceptable customer service - to me. Other folks may have their own horror stories, but for every one of those there is a customer who had a great experience and loves their scope. The question I have for you, is have you ever owner or extensively used an USO scope? You wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> posted 12-09-2003 10:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I own 2 NXS,s, have owned many Leupolds and Tasco SS...NXS is a great scope. My military background taught me that I would be better off with people who act with Honor. I WILL NOT BUY ANY PRODUCT FROM A COMPANY THAT HAS ACTED DISHONORABLE. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you haven't then you are slamming a product due to the experiences of others - rather than have the benefit of personally experiencing both items and making an educated judgement. As far as your whole honor speech goes...USO dealt honorably with me. We can all read the various posts from the lawsuit stuff and read what we want into them. However, we will never truly know everything of what was said, when, to whom, etc. Relationships (both business and professional) change over time and for a number of reasons. Is it honorable for you to pass judgement over someone when you aren't privy to all of the facts and weren't involved in the dispute? As far as the honorable company thing goes - from where do you buy your gas for your car? Do you avoid exxon because they manipulated the courts and got away with a pittance for the damage the Exxon Valdiz spill caused to Alaska? How about union carbide and their payoff to the surviving family members in Bhopal? Do you own stocks in fortune 500 companies? What about Enron, Citibank, Arthur Andersen, Tyco, etc, etc. Have you boycotted all of corporate america after the recent financial scandals? Men act dishonorably, but IMHO an entire company should not be judged for the poor behavior of a small number of its employees (unless its a one man outfit). IMHO this thread has run its course - the topic is one that has been debated to death here and in other forums. In the end, only you can judge if USO is worth the cost. My recommendation is to try them out if you can and then make an educated judgement, rather than reply on posts from the internet. I own both USO and NF, and they both are great for their intended purpose. YMMV. SCL [/QUOTE]
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