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<blockquote data-quote="SCL" data-source="post: 17540" data-attributes="member: 1720"><p>DANTEC,</p><p>Sir,</p><p>Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions - they were most insightful, and provided a good amount of insight into your unfortunate dealings with USO.</p><p></p><p>As for the questions in the last part of your post, here are my opinions (and mind you, they are opinions only):</p><p></p><p>Only a small number of shooters (and probably far fewer military teams) use USO products due to cost. A custom made item almost always costs more than a mass production item. I think Loopy is the most used because it offers the most bang for the buck - it offers a a lot of capability, great customer service (in the U.S. anyway), good glass, good construction, etc.</p><p></p><p>Most civilians and almost all military purchasing decisions are based on cost. Why spend $2500 or more on a custom scope (like USO) when a far cheaper mass prodcution item will do the job just fine?</p><p></p><p>USO's role in the marketplace (as I understand it - I am not an employee) is to provide CUSTOM optics - stuff for the guys who want/need 300 MOA scopes, big objective lenses, etc. Most shooters don't need this level of equipment, but for those that do, there is only one place to go - USO. This is why their catalog has so many different options.</p><p></p><p>You recommend that USO start producing scopes on set delivery schedules etc. - this defeats the purpose of being a cutom prodcut provider, and makes them start to compete against the mass market giants like Loopy, S&B, NXS, etc. I don't think there is enough demand for their products (nor desire of manaegment's behalf) to try and compete against the mass market guys - this is not their business model nor strategy.</p><p></p><p>As far as the SN10, if you don't want to add on the extra options (i.e. lit reticle, ergo obj, etc.) you don't have to - just because you have the options doesn't mean you must purchase them - besides, some folks won't buy a scope w/out a lit reticle, other guys won't buy one if it does have one - this way, USO has both bases covered.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the 50x, two inch tube, 260 MOA, etc. questions, I think the answer to all of those questioons is that they are useful (to a point and everyone has a different opinion of where that point is) in ultra long range shooting. I think 50X is overkill because mirage eats your lunch at long range over 30X or so, but more magnification comes in handy, more MOA's mean more use of your given rounds ballistic curve, and more rand at which you can be accurate. Two inch (that's freakin massive!) tubes and big objectives gather more light and let you use the scope in poor lighting conditions, etc.</p><p></p><p>Most folks don't need this type of expensive gear, which is why USO will never be found in the hands of a lot of folks.</p><p></p><p>In closing, thanks for sharing your experiences with the forum. I hope your dealings with the other companies you listed are more rewarding and less troublesome.</p><p></p><p>Good luck and good shooting,</p><p></p><p>SCL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SCL, post: 17540, member: 1720"] DANTEC, Sir, Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions - they were most insightful, and provided a good amount of insight into your unfortunate dealings with USO. As for the questions in the last part of your post, here are my opinions (and mind you, they are opinions only): Only a small number of shooters (and probably far fewer military teams) use USO products due to cost. A custom made item almost always costs more than a mass production item. I think Loopy is the most used because it offers the most bang for the buck - it offers a a lot of capability, great customer service (in the U.S. anyway), good glass, good construction, etc. Most civilians and almost all military purchasing decisions are based on cost. Why spend $2500 or more on a custom scope (like USO) when a far cheaper mass prodcution item will do the job just fine? USO's role in the marketplace (as I understand it - I am not an employee) is to provide CUSTOM optics - stuff for the guys who want/need 300 MOA scopes, big objective lenses, etc. Most shooters don't need this level of equipment, but for those that do, there is only one place to go - USO. This is why their catalog has so many different options. You recommend that USO start producing scopes on set delivery schedules etc. - this defeats the purpose of being a cutom prodcut provider, and makes them start to compete against the mass market giants like Loopy, S&B, NXS, etc. I don't think there is enough demand for their products (nor desire of manaegment's behalf) to try and compete against the mass market guys - this is not their business model nor strategy. As far as the SN10, if you don't want to add on the extra options (i.e. lit reticle, ergo obj, etc.) you don't have to - just because you have the options doesn't mean you must purchase them - besides, some folks won't buy a scope w/out a lit reticle, other guys won't buy one if it does have one - this way, USO has both bases covered. Regarding the 50x, two inch tube, 260 MOA, etc. questions, I think the answer to all of those questioons is that they are useful (to a point and everyone has a different opinion of where that point is) in ultra long range shooting. I think 50X is overkill because mirage eats your lunch at long range over 30X or so, but more magnification comes in handy, more MOA's mean more use of your given rounds ballistic curve, and more rand at which you can be accurate. Two inch (that's freakin massive!) tubes and big objectives gather more light and let you use the scope in poor lighting conditions, etc. Most folks don't need this type of expensive gear, which is why USO will never be found in the hands of a lot of folks. In closing, thanks for sharing your experiences with the forum. I hope your dealings with the other companies you listed are more rewarding and less troublesome. Good luck and good shooting, SCL [/QUOTE]
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