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<blockquote data-quote="SCL" data-source="post: 17535" data-attributes="member: 1720"><p>DANTEC,</p><p>I read your previous posts with great interest and am sorry to hear how you were treated - regardless of nationality I think everyone in the free world deserves good customer service. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> That said, I have the following questions for you since I am not/not a USO rep or dealer:</p><p></p><p>1. What was the agreement you had with USO regarding dealer samples for the MILPOL (or whatever) show you wanted to attend? Was it in writing, via e-mail, part of a dealer's agreement contract, etc?</p><p></p><p>2. Who have you dealt with to try and resolve your complaints? JBW3, or his predecessor?</p><p></p><p>Regarding your comment about 5% discount being ****, its still better than nothing my friend, and 5% of a $3k scope sale is a profit of $150 a scope. Personally, I think trying to be a middleman on custom items is a risky endeavor, because most custom items don't have large profit margins built into them, particularly if you can buy factory direct - why pay a middle man?</p><p></p><p>This is why no one pays full retail for a Loopy Mk4 ($1300 plus) unless they are foolish. Leupold is a mass market outfit that deals through a distribution network of middlemen. Mk4's can easily be purchased for under a grand, so Loopy must be selling them to dealers for $800 or so - these scopes are far easier to sell because more folks can afford them, but your margins are going to get cut as middlemen try and under price each other.</p><p></p><p>Enough of the economics, if you weren't happy with 5%, why did you become an agent for them in the first place? I don't mean this to be a flame at all, just curious.</p><p></p><p>Regarding DCMI's scope choices: If the guy wants to put a LR scope on a short-range gun, let him...its a free country and its his money.</p><p></p><p>In closing, I think everyone here needs to take a deep breath and realize that all mechanical devices can fail. Over the years I have had both Loopy and NF NXS scopes that didn't track, or hold zero when moving through the power scale. I rushed right out and bought one of ther first Loopy LR variables after Norm Chandler got up at a sniper training conference and said this was the greatest thing since sliced bread. The one I got had a floating zero between low and high power.</p><p></p><p>I am not bashing Loopy because of this one bad scope. The lesson I took away from it was to never be the first to buy anything new. The same thing goes for USO end their EREK feature. Everything mechanical needs to have its bugs worked out, and IMHO both Loopy and USO have worked hard to correct design problems once they were identified.</p><p></p><p>Just my .02 - I am not a USO employee, shareholder, or whatever, but if JBW3 (or anyone for that matter) wants to give me free optics I would take them. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>SCL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SCL, post: 17535, member: 1720"] DANTEC, I read your previous posts with great interest and am sorry to hear how you were treated - regardless of nationality I think everyone in the free world deserves good customer service. :-) That said, I have the following questions for you since I am not/not a USO rep or dealer: 1. What was the agreement you had with USO regarding dealer samples for the MILPOL (or whatever) show you wanted to attend? Was it in writing, via e-mail, part of a dealer's agreement contract, etc? 2. Who have you dealt with to try and resolve your complaints? JBW3, or his predecessor? Regarding your comment about 5% discount being ****, its still better than nothing my friend, and 5% of a $3k scope sale is a profit of $150 a scope. Personally, I think trying to be a middleman on custom items is a risky endeavor, because most custom items don't have large profit margins built into them, particularly if you can buy factory direct - why pay a middle man? This is why no one pays full retail for a Loopy Mk4 ($1300 plus) unless they are foolish. Leupold is a mass market outfit that deals through a distribution network of middlemen. Mk4's can easily be purchased for under a grand, so Loopy must be selling them to dealers for $800 or so - these scopes are far easier to sell because more folks can afford them, but your margins are going to get cut as middlemen try and under price each other. Enough of the economics, if you weren't happy with 5%, why did you become an agent for them in the first place? I don't mean this to be a flame at all, just curious. Regarding DCMI's scope choices: If the guy wants to put a LR scope on a short-range gun, let him...its a free country and its his money. In closing, I think everyone here needs to take a deep breath and realize that all mechanical devices can fail. Over the years I have had both Loopy and NF NXS scopes that didn't track, or hold zero when moving through the power scale. I rushed right out and bought one of ther first Loopy LR variables after Norm Chandler got up at a sniper training conference and said this was the greatest thing since sliced bread. The one I got had a floating zero between low and high power. I am not bashing Loopy because of this one bad scope. The lesson I took away from it was to never be the first to buy anything new. The same thing goes for USO end their EREK feature. Everything mechanical needs to have its bugs worked out, and IMHO both Loopy and USO have worked hard to correct design problems once they were identified. Just my .02 - I am not a USO employee, shareholder, or whatever, but if JBW3 (or anyone for that matter) wants to give me free optics I would take them. :-) SCL [/QUOTE]
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