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Trued/tuned Savage vs. Trued/tuned Rem 700
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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 1273573" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>I guess I should clear up a few points and reasons for the way I think and do things.</p><p></p><p>First I have an unfair advantage over most in that I can build a rifle from scratch that will out shoot me. the reason is simple.</p><p></p><p>Over 50 years ago, I was happy with any rifle that would shoot less than 1 MOA. the more I learned</p><p>the better they shot. I have built rifles using almost every action available and found out that they can all be very accurate if everything is true, and centered.</p><p></p><p>If a person wants to do it themselves the savage is a great way to go and is inexpensive. If that person puts all the parts together and shoots it like it is and is happy, that's all that counts. But if he takes that same rifle to one of the master gunsmiths like Mudrunner, he can make it shoot better</p><p>by going through it and truing it.</p><p></p><p> I have enough experience to know the value of great workmanship because of the evolution of my training and experiences trying to produce the most accurate rifles that I can. This is what I learned and the reason I believe that in search for excellence, You must leave no stone unturned. if every part/component is as close to perfect as possible and fed high quality ammo they will shoot better than the shooter.</p><p></p><p>You can take a factory rifle and Maybe 1 out of a hundred will shoot 1/2 MOA. All factory actions have tolerance issues no matter who makes them and they effect the total accuracy by some point.</p><p>Some times the parts that are not square can cancel each other out by being opposite each other and shoot well. But you can't depend on it happening, so you make everything as near perfect as possible so you can depend on it.</p><p></p><p>When you assemble a rifle without truing your chances of a 1/4 MOA rifle are slim. when the effort is made not only is 1/4 MOA possible, it is common. also instead of having one load that shoots, it is normal for them to like almost every type of ammo and when you do find the best load it will normally scare you how accurate it is.</p><p></p><p>I have come to expect less than 1/4 MOA and hope for - 1/10 MOA. Also on my wildcats where fire forming is required excellent accuracy is normal if the quality is built in. Most will shoot under 1/2 MOA while fire forming, so fire forming can take place while hunting, saving another step.</p><p></p><p>So is blue printing necessary ? some don't think so, but I do because I have seen the results time after time. </p><p></p><p>I will not build a rifle without truing the action because you cant depend on the outcome. I feel the same way about pillar bedding, I wont assemble any rifle without pillar bedding even if it has a insert/chassis for the same reason, you cant depend on it to fit the action and hold it in place 100% of the time.</p><p></p><p>This is not a Chevy versus ford case it is about consistent accuracy 100% of the time. My way may not be for everyone, but it works for me and I am my own worst critic.</p><p></p><p>Just my opinion</p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 1273573, member: 2736"] I guess I should clear up a few points and reasons for the way I think and do things. First I have an unfair advantage over most in that I can build a rifle from scratch that will out shoot me. the reason is simple. Over 50 years ago, I was happy with any rifle that would shoot less than 1 MOA. the more I learned the better they shot. I have built rifles using almost every action available and found out that they can all be very accurate if everything is true, and centered. If a person wants to do it themselves the savage is a great way to go and is inexpensive. If that person puts all the parts together and shoots it like it is and is happy, that's all that counts. But if he takes that same rifle to one of the master gunsmiths like Mudrunner, he can make it shoot better by going through it and truing it. I have enough experience to know the value of great workmanship because of the evolution of my training and experiences trying to produce the most accurate rifles that I can. This is what I learned and the reason I believe that in search for excellence, You must leave no stone unturned. if every part/component is as close to perfect as possible and fed high quality ammo they will shoot better than the shooter. You can take a factory rifle and Maybe 1 out of a hundred will shoot 1/2 MOA. All factory actions have tolerance issues no matter who makes them and they effect the total accuracy by some point. Some times the parts that are not square can cancel each other out by being opposite each other and shoot well. But you can't depend on it happening, so you make everything as near perfect as possible so you can depend on it. When you assemble a rifle without truing your chances of a 1/4 MOA rifle are slim. when the effort is made not only is 1/4 MOA possible, it is common. also instead of having one load that shoots, it is normal for them to like almost every type of ammo and when you do find the best load it will normally scare you how accurate it is. I have come to expect less than 1/4 MOA and hope for - 1/10 MOA. Also on my wildcats where fire forming is required excellent accuracy is normal if the quality is built in. Most will shoot under 1/2 MOA while fire forming, so fire forming can take place while hunting, saving another step. So is blue printing necessary ? some don't think so, but I do because I have seen the results time after time. I will not build a rifle without truing the action because you cant depend on the outcome. I feel the same way about pillar bedding, I wont assemble any rifle without pillar bedding even if it has a insert/chassis for the same reason, you cant depend on it to fit the action and hold it in place 100% of the time. This is not a Chevy versus ford case it is about consistent accuracy 100% of the time. My way may not be for everyone, but it works for me and I am my own worst critic. Just my opinion J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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