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Trued/tuned Savage vs. Trued/tuned Rem 700
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<blockquote data-quote="toddc" data-source="post: 1273443" data-attributes="member: 4566"><p>You know better than I what is possible. Action face, recoil lug and nut is doable. Bolt lugs and recess are doable into 90+% contact. </p><p>I knew several smiths would read this which is why I was very specific as to what could be trued.</p><p>I know there is no way I can win this debate as you will always be able to reference that something is out of true to action threads or some other issue. </p><p>An action can have the face trued to the exterior stock it is built on, a recoil lug can be trued reasonably easy and a nut can be trued to 100% contact. </p><p>Bolt lugs can be lapped into high % contact with the recesses and can actually be home measured. I wont even spout the FLOATING BOLT HEAD crap as I don't want to use that as an excuse.</p><p></p><p>Will this process be what you are capable of? No as I cant recut threads if they are an issue. </p><p></p><p>I was actually hoping that anyone interested in home DIY Savages would do the research and see what is and IS NOT possible as I really don't want to write a 60 pg paper.</p><p> </p><p>A home trued Savage or Remington/Remage WILL NOT be as TRUE as something a competent smith can produce since action threads are 100% out of the game and therefore the smith can always RIGHTFULLY CLAIM to have a superior product. Yes there are taps available but it wont help if your centerline is off. If the threads are on then you can get really close to a TRUED action.</p><p></p><p>Can a Savage be home trued into a .25 MOA rig with a good barrel? YES. </p><p>Have I seen IMPROVEMENTS by home truing a Savage? YES</p><p>Have I been able to measure said improvements, both with tooling and accuracy? YES</p><p>Could MOST smiths produce a better result? YES</p><p>Could some smiths produce a worse result? YES</p><p></p><p>Will a home trued Savage equal a GOOD SMITHS product? Depends what you started with and what your goals are. If the action threads start out true there is a good chance you will get VERY close.</p><p></p><p>A Savage will never be a Surgeon or Kelby or Nesika. Neither will a Remmy.</p><p></p><p>Home truing a Savage can produce a remarkably good shooting rig, but it won't be a custom like Bigngreen could build you....EVER.</p><p></p><p>Anyone wanting to know what can be done needs to research the issue and make up their own minds.</p><p> Bigngreen is correct in that he can do things we cant do at home, and he is a PROFESSIONAL and I am at BEST a tinkerer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toddc, post: 1273443, member: 4566"] You know better than I what is possible. Action face, recoil lug and nut is doable. Bolt lugs and recess are doable into 90+% contact. I knew several smiths would read this which is why I was very specific as to what could be trued. I know there is no way I can win this debate as you will always be able to reference that something is out of true to action threads or some other issue. An action can have the face trued to the exterior stock it is built on, a recoil lug can be trued reasonably easy and a nut can be trued to 100% contact. Bolt lugs can be lapped into high % contact with the recesses and can actually be home measured. I wont even spout the FLOATING BOLT HEAD crap as I don't want to use that as an excuse. Will this process be what you are capable of? No as I cant recut threads if they are an issue. I was actually hoping that anyone interested in home DIY Savages would do the research and see what is and IS NOT possible as I really don't want to write a 60 pg paper. A home trued Savage or Remington/Remage WILL NOT be as TRUE as something a competent smith can produce since action threads are 100% out of the game and therefore the smith can always RIGHTFULLY CLAIM to have a superior product. Yes there are taps available but it wont help if your centerline is off. If the threads are on then you can get really close to a TRUED action. Can a Savage be home trued into a .25 MOA rig with a good barrel? YES. Have I seen IMPROVEMENTS by home truing a Savage? YES Have I been able to measure said improvements, both with tooling and accuracy? YES Could MOST smiths produce a better result? YES Could some smiths produce a worse result? YES Will a home trued Savage equal a GOOD SMITHS product? Depends what you started with and what your goals are. If the action threads start out true there is a good chance you will get VERY close. A Savage will never be a Surgeon or Kelby or Nesika. Neither will a Remmy. Home truing a Savage can produce a remarkably good shooting rig, but it won't be a custom like Bigngreen could build you....EVER. Anyone wanting to know what can be done needs to research the issue and make up their own minds. Bigngreen is correct in that he can do things we cant do at home, and he is a PROFESSIONAL and I am at BEST a tinkerer. [/QUOTE]
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