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<blockquote data-quote="Hugnot" data-source="post: 2892350" data-attributes="member: 115658"><p>Some 23 years ago a snarky relative demanded to know - "how many guns do you have?" This made me think of what I actually needed to accomplish my shooting goals. I quit shooting deers many years ago. The thought of gutting a big beast & transporting the remains out of the forest or field makes me unhappy - been there & done that. This guy was a real jerk elitist, but his query made me think of what I needed to accomplish my modest shooting goals.</p><p></p><p>Another relative, an accomplished, highly rated, successful tech manager thought I had an excessive number of scope sights as I only could shoot one gun at a time & scopes could be moved from gun to gun. He quickly did a cost analysis and determined I could acquire superior optics than the present and increase my shooting capabilities. This guy is a super success in everything & a quick learner.</p><p></p><p>I have a modest shooting background, I got as far as NRA Hi Power, National Match, expert with real good 200 & 300 rapid fire, & 600-yard slow fire. My poor 200-yard standing score prevented me from getting a master classification.</p><p></p><p>My thoughts are:</p><p></p><p>If lots of cheap components are not available, shooting is limited. This got me into: .20P, .223., 6.5-06 and now the Creedmoor family, 6mm & 6.5.</p><p></p><p>The old .308 or 7.62X52 & .223 or 5.56X45 would accomplish many things but having to crank on some 18 MOA elevation to hit at 600 with a .308 and marginal performance at ranges over 300 with the .223 got me into the 6.5-06 & .22-.250. Many hits on rock chucks & other rodents at ranges over 600 with the 6.5-06 & over 350 with the .22-.250.</p><p></p><p>I am confident that I could do everything I want, including cheap, easy buy components with:</p><p></p><p>.20P (.20-.223), 40 VMax - .22-.250, 75 H ELDM - 6mm Creedmoor, 87 Vmax & 105 H hpbt - 6.5 Creedmoor, 120 HELDM, 140 HELDM - 6.5 -06, 120 HELDM, 140 HELDM.</p><p></p><p>The Creedmoor rifles can use easily available small rifle primers. Cheap .223 brass & small powder charges make the .20P useful. Cheap .30-06 brass & long pointy bullets make the 6.5-06 a go to for up to 1,000. Volume rodent shooting with the .20P is a good choice, like pack up to six hundred rounds for an extended 4–5-day shoot.</p><p></p><p>Exceptions are the .22LR & 6mm Akley. The first time took the Ackley out I blew a real big rock chuck off a mound of dirt just short of 600</p><p>yards. I really like that round & will always have one. 87 Vmax just short of 3,400 fps, 10 twist. COW fireforming with large <s>rifle </s>pistol primers & pricy 7X57 Norma brass needing lots of work. 50.5 grains of VN165.</p><p></p><p>Everybody needs a .22LR. I have a Ruger 22/45 MKIV, & Ruger 22/77. I keep more than 1000 CCI .22LR Blazers available.</p><p></p><p>Gunz, Gunz, Guns, - how many gunz do you have??? Learn to live with irritations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hugnot, post: 2892350, member: 115658"] Some 23 years ago a snarky relative demanded to know - "how many guns do you have?" This made me think of what I actually needed to accomplish my shooting goals. I quit shooting deers many years ago. The thought of gutting a big beast & transporting the remains out of the forest or field makes me unhappy - been there & done that. This guy was a real jerk elitist, but his query made me think of what I needed to accomplish my modest shooting goals. Another relative, an accomplished, highly rated, successful tech manager thought I had an excessive number of scope sights as I only could shoot one gun at a time & scopes could be moved from gun to gun. He quickly did a cost analysis and determined I could acquire superior optics than the present and increase my shooting capabilities. This guy is a super success in everything & a quick learner. I have a modest shooting background, I got as far as NRA Hi Power, National Match, expert with real good 200 & 300 rapid fire, & 600-yard slow fire. My poor 200-yard standing score prevented me from getting a master classification. My thoughts are: If lots of cheap components are not available, shooting is limited. This got me into: .20P, .223., 6.5-06 and now the Creedmoor family, 6mm & 6.5. The old .308 or 7.62X52 & .223 or 5.56X45 would accomplish many things but having to crank on some 18 MOA elevation to hit at 600 with a .308 and marginal performance at ranges over 300 with the .223 got me into the 6.5-06 & .22-.250. Many hits on rock chucks & other rodents at ranges over 600 with the 6.5-06 & over 350 with the .22-.250. I am confident that I could do everything I want, including cheap, easy buy components with: .20P (.20-.223), 40 VMax - .22-.250, 75 H ELDM - 6mm Creedmoor, 87 Vmax & 105 H hpbt - 6.5 Creedmoor, 120 HELDM, 140 HELDM - 6.5 -06, 120 HELDM, 140 HELDM. The Creedmoor rifles can use easily available small rifle primers. Cheap .223 brass & small powder charges make the .20P useful. Cheap .30-06 brass & long pointy bullets make the 6.5-06 a go to for up to 1,000. Volume rodent shooting with the .20P is a good choice, like pack up to six hundred rounds for an extended 4–5-day shoot. Exceptions are the .22LR & 6mm Akley. The first time took the Ackley out I blew a real big rock chuck off a mound of dirt just short of 600 yards. I really like that round & will always have one. 87 Vmax just short of 3,400 fps, 10 twist. COW fireforming with large [S]rifle [/S]pistol primers & pricy 7X57 Norma brass needing lots of work. 50.5 grains of VN165. Everybody needs a .22LR. I have a Ruger 22/45 MKIV, & Ruger 22/77. I keep more than 1000 CCI .22LR Blazers available. Gunz, Gunz, Guns, - how many gunz do you have??? Learn to live with irritations. [/QUOTE]
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