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Springfield Waypoint bad groups troubleshoot help?
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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2713826" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>I know that everyone here knows the importance of good ammo, especially tuned to the gun. I had, and actually still have a rifle student who is moving on to more precision target shooting as well as hunting. She is using my Winchester Model 70 (post 64) .308 . I let my students shoot my rifles so that they can get a feel for the differences between rifles when trying to choose something for themselves. This particular rifle has been shooting sub MOA groups for more years than I care to admit using my hand loads. She was buying commercial ammo of all different types from 150 to 180 to include the 165 and 168 gr that this particular rifle loves. Anyway she was having difficulty getting anywhere close to MOA with anything that she bought. I was finally able to find some IMR 4895 and loaded up some ammo using her once fired Federal Premium cases, Federal 215 primers and 40.5 gr of IMR 4895 and some Nosler 168 gr HPBT match bullets. This is something that I know that this rifle likes. We went to the range with her not being very confident in her rifle shooting abilities based on what she had been able to do with the commercial ammo. The first 3 shot group she fired with this ammo was 0.7 MOA, the second 0.8 MOA and the third group one ragged hole from 3 rounds hitting with a 0.3 MOA group essentially all three shots in the same hole. She was amazed and had gained back confidence in her ability to shoot. She also now appreciates the differences in ammo and the advantages of reloading and tuning the loads to the rifle. Yes, she is now a reloading student as well as shooting student. </p><p></p><p>I don't get excited if a rifle doesn't shoot well out of the box with commercial ammo. My Browning 300 WM was a prime example. After the first 20 rounds the inside of the barrel through the bore scope resembled a gold mine along it's entire 26 inch length. If I had been smart I would have returned the rifle to Browning in that condition. I'm pretty sure I would have got a new barrel out of it. The hangup is that I had a custom muzzle brake installed and while Browning probably would have probably replaced the barrel I doubt that they would have reinstalled the non Browning muzzle brake. Anyway it has taken over 200 rounds and a lot of cleaning before the bore got burnished in enough not to rip the copper jackets as they went down the barrel. It's a hunting rifle and currently shoots right at 1 MOA which works for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2713826, member: 118816"] I know that everyone here knows the importance of good ammo, especially tuned to the gun. I had, and actually still have a rifle student who is moving on to more precision target shooting as well as hunting. She is using my Winchester Model 70 (post 64) .308 . I let my students shoot my rifles so that they can get a feel for the differences between rifles when trying to choose something for themselves. This particular rifle has been shooting sub MOA groups for more years than I care to admit using my hand loads. She was buying commercial ammo of all different types from 150 to 180 to include the 165 and 168 gr that this particular rifle loves. Anyway she was having difficulty getting anywhere close to MOA with anything that she bought. I was finally able to find some IMR 4895 and loaded up some ammo using her once fired Federal Premium cases, Federal 215 primers and 40.5 gr of IMR 4895 and some Nosler 168 gr HPBT match bullets. This is something that I know that this rifle likes. We went to the range with her not being very confident in her rifle shooting abilities based on what she had been able to do with the commercial ammo. The first 3 shot group she fired with this ammo was 0.7 MOA, the second 0.8 MOA and the third group one ragged hole from 3 rounds hitting with a 0.3 MOA group essentially all three shots in the same hole. She was amazed and had gained back confidence in her ability to shoot. She also now appreciates the differences in ammo and the advantages of reloading and tuning the loads to the rifle. Yes, she is now a reloading student as well as shooting student. I don't get excited if a rifle doesn't shoot well out of the box with commercial ammo. My Browning 300 WM was a prime example. After the first 20 rounds the inside of the barrel through the bore scope resembled a gold mine along it's entire 26 inch length. If I had been smart I would have returned the rifle to Browning in that condition. I'm pretty sure I would have got a new barrel out of it. The hangup is that I had a custom muzzle brake installed and while Browning probably would have probably replaced the barrel I doubt that they would have reinstalled the non Browning muzzle brake. Anyway it has taken over 200 rounds and a lot of cleaning before the bore got burnished in enough not to rip the copper jackets as they went down the barrel. It's a hunting rifle and currently shoots right at 1 MOA which works for me. [/QUOTE]
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