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<blockquote data-quote="Lefty7mmstw" data-source="post: 1102107" data-attributes="member: 48043"><p>I see this thread as more of a debate thread than anything constructive, but I'll toss my $.02 in anyway</p><p> </p><p>24 hour campfire??? where in left field did that one come from???</p><p> </p><p>1. No,,,, don't you know the 7rem is magical??? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p> </p><p>2. Yes... don't shove a barnes in a slow mover like a 308 and try to stuff a critter at a half mile; dame with a soft bullet in a fast stepper</p><p> </p><p>3. B.C. sells... that's why it is a big deal... I've made some of my longest kills with a lowly .400 bc sierra in 7mm... of course when you step over the 800-1000 area, bc is king, but the way I hunt having a pointy tip is usually enough</p><p> </p><p>4. yes... to a point... you stuff a 50 cal. muzzle loader in 'em, they drop as fast as getting hit by a 270 or 30-06 though. you slow it down, you need to bring up the bullet diameter also...</p><p> </p><p>5. depends on what you want to do with it... a 308 is a fine cartridge for game if you respect it's limitations... so is a big 30 like the 30-378</p><p> </p><p>6. you will likely get your best accuracy with the lowest muzzle pressure load that fills the case well enough to not have much variance with powder positioning in the case... something over 80% full but not compressed... </p><p> </p><p><strong><em>as to the reloading manual not being a bible; I see more dangerous things by people not respecting loading manuals than anything else, bar none</em></strong>...<strong><em> people also need to respect the speed limits associated with their cartridges</em></strong>; <em><strong>if you are 200 fps over average book numbers with a combination</strong></em>, <strong><em>you are likely running dangerous pressure and need to back down</em></strong></p><p> </p><p>7. I shoot unknown distances all the time; we try to get out and rock hunt at least a few times a year. I'm a spot and stalk hunter for the most part, and often do not have the time to range what I shoot... if you get good though, you will find that the critters themselves are optical rangefinders, as long as you use the same magnification on all of your scopes for hunting... I prefer 16x myself... </p><p> </p><p>There is a threshold where you need to range before you shoot though, and that is different for nearly everyone... Someone who is extremely dependent on his rangefinder may have to start ranging well before the 1/4 mile mark, but someone like me who grew up with big cartridges and Kentucky windage may scoff at pulling up a rangefinder until game is nearing the 1/2 mile out mark...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lefty7mmstw, post: 1102107, member: 48043"] I see this thread as more of a debate thread than anything constructive, but I'll toss my $.02 in anyway 24 hour campfire??? where in left field did that one come from??? 1. No,,,, don't you know the 7rem is magical??? :rolleyes: 2. Yes... don't shove a barnes in a slow mover like a 308 and try to stuff a critter at a half mile; dame with a soft bullet in a fast stepper 3. B.C. sells... that's why it is a big deal... I've made some of my longest kills with a lowly .400 bc sierra in 7mm... of course when you step over the 800-1000 area, bc is king, but the way I hunt having a pointy tip is usually enough 4. yes... to a point... you stuff a 50 cal. muzzle loader in 'em, they drop as fast as getting hit by a 270 or 30-06 though. you slow it down, you need to bring up the bullet diameter also... 5. depends on what you want to do with it... a 308 is a fine cartridge for game if you respect it's limitations... so is a big 30 like the 30-378 6. you will likely get your best accuracy with the lowest muzzle pressure load that fills the case well enough to not have much variance with powder positioning in the case... something over 80% full but not compressed... [B][I]as to the reloading manual not being a bible; I see more dangerous things by people not respecting loading manuals than anything else, bar none[/I][/B]...[B][I] people also need to respect the speed limits associated with their cartridges[/I][/B]; [I][B]if you are 200 fps over average book numbers with a combination[/B][/I], [B][I]you are likely running dangerous pressure and need to back down[/I][/B] [B][/B] 7. I shoot unknown distances all the time; we try to get out and rock hunt at least a few times a year. I'm a spot and stalk hunter for the most part, and often do not have the time to range what I shoot... if you get good though, you will find that the critters themselves are optical rangefinders, as long as you use the same magnification on all of your scopes for hunting... I prefer 16x myself... There is a threshold where you need to range before you shoot though, and that is different for nearly everyone... Someone who is extremely dependent on his rangefinder may have to start ranging well before the 1/4 mile mark, but someone like me who grew up with big cartridges and Kentucky windage may scoff at pulling up a rangefinder until game is nearing the 1/2 mile out mark... [/QUOTE]
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