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<blockquote data-quote="RonS" data-source="post: 1055514" data-attributes="member: 68613"><p>Difficult to compare as it's really an apples to oranges comparison and my knowledge gap on the products is great but I'll try. And remember that my preferences will differ from yours given the different applications. That said, here goes:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> I have not used or even handled the SII, only the SIII. I would question as to whether the glass is the same. The SII's seem to have an adjustable objective where the SIII's are side focus. That fact alone would imply that the objective lenses are different or at least the arrangement and/or mounting of the lenses is different. I am also less familiar with Sightron but if it is like Vortex or other brands, you would potentially lose a couple of things in stepping down to the next lower level scope in the line from the SIII. Things like an etched reticle may be lost. The mechanical operating components may change which may affect the quality of the tracking. A smaller objective lens and perhaps a 1 inch tube instead of a 30mm, both of which would affect the light gathering potential. The construction of the tube may also differ making it less durable. And lastly, where the glass is sourced and how it is coated may change. Still, I have not heard anything bad about the Sightrons. They seem to offer a quality product. The people I know who run the SIII's in F Class love them. I'm sure the SII's are a good product as well. I've used the SIII's since we swap guns and I really like their LRMOA reticle.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> I have read about the Huskamaw but I have never seen or handled one. They seem to have some respect from those who appear to be in the know. My problem with them is the same problem I have with all BDC reticles and turrets. Some allow you to order custom turrets but the likelihood of them matching your load is minimal. Take a .308 for example. The load can vary from 155 to 190 grain bullets (or even more depending on the barrel twist) with varying powder charges and velocities from 2500 fps to over 3000 fps. That's a massive difference in trajectories. A BDC might get you within a stones throw at 200 yards but as you cross 300 and approach 1000 yards you won't even be in the neighborhood. The alternative is a free app for your cell phone. I run Strelok. I have all the data entered for a given load in a given caliber like the caliber, the bullet weight, the bullet BC, the velocity, the zero yardage and the altitude it was zeroed at as well as the altitude I'm shooting at. You need to chrono your loads to get the data but chrono's are cheap these days. When I select the load I'm shooting I pull it up, punch in the yardage and the wind estimate and wala, I get both the MOA elevation and windage offsets (I don't use MIL dot). Dial in the dope and I'm ready to rock. I've got several different loads in each caliber loaded in the app and I find that it puts me very close on the first shot. Close enough that using the MOA reticle's for offset is doable if I don't feel like dialing in the difference. Another alternative is something like the Burris Eliminator 3 4-16. I had one and I liked it. Dial in your load data and when you push the button you get both laser range finding and elevation offset. The tree gives you windage offsets based on a 10 mph wind. Those scopes are heavy though and you can only have one load loaded into the scope at any point in time. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> When it comes to power, my opinion is that the only reasonable limit is the resolving power of the scope. If you can have more power you should get it. You don't have to use it but I'm running 6x24's on my F Class rifles at 300-1000 yards and only once have I turned the power down. That was when the mirage was so bad that you needed lower power to cut down on the target jumping around and resolve the lines. I find myself wanting more power. Much more. I may get one of the 10-50 60 Sightron SIII's that people are picking up. There are guys who are running the 80 power March scopes as well. 3-9 is low power these days. 4-16 is not much better. 6-24 seems to be an entry point in long range these days and most are running 8-32 or 10-50 or higher.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> As I said, the above comes from a perspective of target. I'm running heavy scopes on heavy rifles and I'm not packing them up ridge lines, down valleys or way out into the bush. If I were, I'd go with a very light rifle and a big heavy powerful scope of the best quality I could afford. In your price point there are a lot of options and I doubt that you'd be disappointed in any of them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RonS, post: 1055514, member: 68613"] Difficult to compare as it's really an apples to oranges comparison and my knowledge gap on the products is great but I'll try. And remember that my preferences will differ from yours given the different applications. That said, here goes: I have not used or even handled the SII, only the SIII. I would question as to whether the glass is the same. The SII's seem to have an adjustable objective where the SIII's are side focus. That fact alone would imply that the objective lenses are different or at least the arrangement and/or mounting of the lenses is different. I am also less familiar with Sightron but if it is like Vortex or other brands, you would potentially lose a couple of things in stepping down to the next lower level scope in the line from the SIII. Things like an etched reticle may be lost. The mechanical operating components may change which may affect the quality of the tracking. A smaller objective lens and perhaps a 1 inch tube instead of a 30mm, both of which would affect the light gathering potential. The construction of the tube may also differ making it less durable. And lastly, where the glass is sourced and how it is coated may change. Still, I have not heard anything bad about the Sightrons. They seem to offer a quality product. The people I know who run the SIII's in F Class love them. I'm sure the SII's are a good product as well. I've used the SIII's since we swap guns and I really like their LRMOA reticle. I have read about the Huskamaw but I have never seen or handled one. They seem to have some respect from those who appear to be in the know. My problem with them is the same problem I have with all BDC reticles and turrets. Some allow you to order custom turrets but the likelihood of them matching your load is minimal. Take a .308 for example. The load can vary from 155 to 190 grain bullets (or even more depending on the barrel twist) with varying powder charges and velocities from 2500 fps to over 3000 fps. That's a massive difference in trajectories. A BDC might get you within a stones throw at 200 yards but as you cross 300 and approach 1000 yards you won't even be in the neighborhood. The alternative is a free app for your cell phone. I run Strelok. I have all the data entered for a given load in a given caliber like the caliber, the bullet weight, the bullet BC, the velocity, the zero yardage and the altitude it was zeroed at as well as the altitude I'm shooting at. You need to chrono your loads to get the data but chrono's are cheap these days. When I select the load I'm shooting I pull it up, punch in the yardage and the wind estimate and wala, I get both the MOA elevation and windage offsets (I don't use MIL dot). Dial in the dope and I'm ready to rock. I've got several different loads in each caliber loaded in the app and I find that it puts me very close on the first shot. Close enough that using the MOA reticle's for offset is doable if I don't feel like dialing in the difference. Another alternative is something like the Burris Eliminator 3 4-16. I had one and I liked it. Dial in your load data and when you push the button you get both laser range finding and elevation offset. The tree gives you windage offsets based on a 10 mph wind. Those scopes are heavy though and you can only have one load loaded into the scope at any point in time. When it comes to power, my opinion is that the only reasonable limit is the resolving power of the scope. If you can have more power you should get it. You don't have to use it but I'm running 6x24's on my F Class rifles at 300-1000 yards and only once have I turned the power down. That was when the mirage was so bad that you needed lower power to cut down on the target jumping around and resolve the lines. I find myself wanting more power. Much more. I may get one of the 10-50 60 Sightron SIII's that people are picking up. There are guys who are running the 80 power March scopes as well. 3-9 is low power these days. 4-16 is not much better. 6-24 seems to be an entry point in long range these days and most are running 8-32 or 10-50 or higher. As I said, the above comes from a perspective of target. I'm running heavy scopes on heavy rifles and I'm not packing them up ridge lines, down valleys or way out into the bush. If I were, I'd go with a very light rifle and a big heavy powerful scope of the best quality I could afford. In your price point there are a lot of options and I doubt that you'd be disappointed in any of them. [/QUOTE]
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