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Questions & thought's on 6mm for BR and prarrie poodles.
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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 68536" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p><strong>Re: Lets steer this guy right huh?</strong></p><p></p><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p> Unless something has changed, benchrest shooters clean religiously. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Yes, they do after the match. But during the match (in between relays) they only clean down to the wash I talked about. But don't take my word for it, come on out and see for yourself. We will be having a match May 29th at the Hobble Creek gun club in the mouth of Hobble Creek canyon near Springville, Utah. I have friends in this club that will clean until they get just the right amount of pale blue on the patch and then stop cleaning to shoot the relay!</p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> 2)Don't know where you get your data. I ran the numbers, this time with a 300yd. zero. At 700, that high BC 105 at 2950 had dropped 14" more at 700 than the 55, and at 1,000 it was still 10" lower. We're talking major trajectory, like 16'. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>I never said that the 105 was flatter at 1k. I said that it had more velocity. It does drop just a bit more, but the 105 isn't off by much. It does have more energy, and momentum also.</p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> Of course the VLD was much better in the wind, but to me it's moot because unless something is going fast enough, it'll just punch holes </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>That is what I have been trying to tell you all along! THE 105 HAS MORE VELOCITY FROM 650 YARDS OUT!!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> He's pulled 105's out of those trees that had gone in only about 1/2way...very little distortion. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't realize that trees had the same effect on bullets as P-dogs and chucks do. Boy, where have I been!</p><p></p><p>I am going chuck hunting with my br tomorrow. I can't wait to show you how stinking little I know about the AMAX bullets when I take pics of the chucks that just got bruised to death. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif</p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> 4) I'm real impressed you're in all those VHA clubs. I've been a member since very early 90's and never cared about that stuff.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Well if you're only shooting to 600, I can see why. They are not for everyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> There are whole bunch of guns in my gun room, </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>In case you haven't heard, I have a few myself and was once a follower of your line of thinking. But alas, I have graduated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> 7) Go back to the original post. He says 600yds and less, which means 110,195, 240, 410..... And he wants a gun that won't heat up quickly. And he wants something that blows things up more than a .223. He also considers the 22-250 to be just barely enough gun.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Exactly. Is there one qualification there that the 6 br can't do? I think not. I believe I haven't wasted my time trying to help the poster pick the BR.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> I'm done with this. Ain't gonna debate apples and oranges no more </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Ah man, I was just getting warmed up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif</p><p></p><p>Let me end then with this. Both my professions that I work very hard at all day every day deal with nothing but educating the general public about firearms and ballistics, and helping them shoot better. I load for them, I teach them, I even take them hunting occasionally. In my job, it is my probably unattainable goal to rid the shooting world of myth, legend, and granpappy Smith's campfire bullcrap. You my friend have different views, and I respect that. But please don't buy into the redneck rhetoric and pass it around as the non-debateable truth. Facts are facts, and I have got plenty of them. And I am always ready to back them up. I gather all possible proof, and have it ready when I get into these friendly arguments. I keep a non-spendable Ulysses S. Grant in my wallet, and I DO PUT IT WHERE MY MOUTH IS! I think over time, I have proven that I know a little about what I am talking about as the Grant is still in my wallet. </p><p></p><p>Peace, love, and powder for all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif</p><p></p><p></p><p>ps. Sorry 308Nate, I had to get that off my chest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 68536, member: 2852"] [b]Re: Lets steer this guy right huh?[/b] [ QUOTE ] Unless something has changed, benchrest shooters clean religiously. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, they do after the match. But during the match (in between relays) they only clean down to the wash I talked about. But don't take my word for it, come on out and see for yourself. We will be having a match May 29th at the Hobble Creek gun club in the mouth of Hobble Creek canyon near Springville, Utah. I have friends in this club that will clean until they get just the right amount of pale blue on the patch and then stop cleaning to shoot the relay! [ QUOTE ] 2)Don't know where you get your data. I ran the numbers, this time with a 300yd. zero. At 700, that high BC 105 at 2950 had dropped 14" more at 700 than the 55, and at 1,000 it was still 10" lower. We're talking major trajectory, like 16'. [/ QUOTE ] I never said that the 105 was flatter at 1k. I said that it had more velocity. It does drop just a bit more, but the 105 isn't off by much. It does have more energy, and momentum also. [ QUOTE ] Of course the VLD was much better in the wind, but to me it's moot because unless something is going fast enough, it'll just punch holes [/ QUOTE ] That is what I have been trying to tell you all along! THE 105 HAS MORE VELOCITY FROM 650 YARDS OUT!! [ QUOTE ] He's pulled 105's out of those trees that had gone in only about 1/2way...very little distortion. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't realize that trees had the same effect on bullets as P-dogs and chucks do. Boy, where have I been! I am going chuck hunting with my br tomorrow. I can't wait to show you how stinking little I know about the AMAX bullets when I take pics of the chucks that just got bruised to death. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] 4) I'm real impressed you're in all those VHA clubs. I've been a member since very early 90's and never cared about that stuff. [/ QUOTE ] Well if you're only shooting to 600, I can see why. They are not for everyone. [ QUOTE ] There are whole bunch of guns in my gun room, [/ QUOTE ] In case you haven't heard, I have a few myself and was once a follower of your line of thinking. But alas, I have graduated. [ QUOTE ] 7) Go back to the original post. He says 600yds and less, which means 110,195, 240, 410..... And he wants a gun that won't heat up quickly. And he wants something that blows things up more than a .223. He also considers the 22-250 to be just barely enough gun. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Is there one qualification there that the 6 br can't do? I think not. I believe I haven't wasted my time trying to help the poster pick the BR. [ QUOTE ] I'm done with this. Ain't gonna debate apples and oranges no more [/ QUOTE ] Ah man, I was just getting warmed up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Let me end then with this. Both my professions that I work very hard at all day every day deal with nothing but educating the general public about firearms and ballistics, and helping them shoot better. I load for them, I teach them, I even take them hunting occasionally. In my job, it is my probably unattainable goal to rid the shooting world of myth, legend, and granpappy Smith's campfire bullcrap. You my friend have different views, and I respect that. But please don't buy into the redneck rhetoric and pass it around as the non-debateable truth. Facts are facts, and I have got plenty of them. And I am always ready to back them up. I gather all possible proof, and have it ready when I get into these friendly arguments. I keep a non-spendable Ulysses S. Grant in my wallet, and I DO PUT IT WHERE MY MOUTH IS! I think over time, I have proven that I know a little about what I am talking about as the Grant is still in my wallet. Peace, love, and powder for all. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ps. Sorry 308Nate, I had to get that off my chest. [/QUOTE]
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