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Questions & thought's on 6mm for BR and prarrie poodles.
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<blockquote data-quote="Ackman" data-source="post: 68483" data-attributes="member: 4206"><p><strong>Goodgrouper............</strong></p><p></p><p>This is getting dumber and dumberer.</p><p> </p><p>1)I don't know where you get your ideas about the desireabity of copper in the bore. Unless something has changed, benchrest shooters clean religiously. You mentioned getting a long hit before your barrel coppered. Is that the same copper you say the benchresters like to have?</p><p></p><p>2)Don't know where you get your data. I ran the numbers, this time with a 300yd. zero. At 700, that high BC 105 at 2950 had dropped 14" more at 700 than the 55, and at 1,000 it was still 10" lower. We're talking major trajectory, like 16'. Of course the VLD was much better in the wind, but to me it's moot because unless something is going fast enough, it'll just punch holes. My friend shoots at a range with 1,000yd capability. Behind the 1,000yd berm are trees. He's pulled 105's out of those trees that had gone in only about 1/2way...very little distortion. No matter what bullet it is, it's gotta be going fast enough to expand.</p><p></p><p>3) I said most prairie dogs could be shot at 300 or less unless you wanted to go further. PRAIRIE DOGS. Of course I shoot them further, but it's not necessary most of the time. And I shoot rockchucks further too, but the post was about PRAIRIE DOGS, and a gun for shooting all day. At distances TO 600yds. </p><p></p><p>4) I'm real impressed you're in all those VHA clubs. I've been a member since very early 90's and never cared about that stuff. And there've been many articles about guys shooting dogs at long range. Some are actually honest enough to say how many shots it took to connect. One very longwinded article was basically to showcase the guy's 1100yd shot, and he happened to mention that it took 72 rounds to hit. Next time, maybe it would've been 15, or 36. Throw enough bullets at something and you'll hit it eventually. Could be sooner, could be later. About all any of it proves is that it was time for that critter to be shot. At 1,000yds, misjudge the distance to that little thing on the ground by even 20 or 30yds and with a rainbow trajectory it's a big miss. A little wind between the muzzle and the target, again it's a solid miss.</p><p></p><p>5) Of course I have bad hits, everybody has. Parts blown off, guts hanging out, etc. I shoot it again. </p><p></p><p>6) Shooting is a funny thing. Lots of people let the ego get all wrapped up in what they can do - or would like to do - with a gun. There are whole bunch of guns in my gun room, and I shoot at stuff a long ways out when necessary. But I'd rather shoot once and hit once, also see launches and explosions. </p><p></p><p>7) Go back to the original post. He says 600yds and less, which means 110,195, 240, 410..... And he wants a gun that won't heat up quickly. And he wants something that blows things up more than a .223. He also considers the 22-250 to be just barely enough gun.</p><p></p><p>8) Not everything on this board is "longrange hunting". And I've only answered posts that weren't about...."longrange hunting." </p><p></p><p>I'm done with this. Ain't gonna debate apples and oranges no more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ackman, post: 68483, member: 4206"] [b]Goodgrouper............[/b] This is getting dumber and dumberer. 1)I don't know where you get your ideas about the desireabity of copper in the bore. Unless something has changed, benchrest shooters clean religiously. You mentioned getting a long hit before your barrel coppered. Is that the same copper you say the benchresters like to have? 2)Don't know where you get your data. I ran the numbers, this time with a 300yd. zero. At 700, that high BC 105 at 2950 had dropped 14" more at 700 than the 55, and at 1,000 it was still 10" lower. We're talking major trajectory, like 16'. Of course the VLD was much better in the wind, but to me it's moot because unless something is going fast enough, it'll just punch holes. My friend shoots at a range with 1,000yd capability. Behind the 1,000yd berm are trees. He's pulled 105's out of those trees that had gone in only about 1/2way...very little distortion. No matter what bullet it is, it's gotta be going fast enough to expand. 3) I said most prairie dogs could be shot at 300 or less unless you wanted to go further. PRAIRIE DOGS. Of course I shoot them further, but it's not necessary most of the time. And I shoot rockchucks further too, but the post was about PRAIRIE DOGS, and a gun for shooting all day. At distances TO 600yds. 4) I'm real impressed you're in all those VHA clubs. I've been a member since very early 90's and never cared about that stuff. And there've been many articles about guys shooting dogs at long range. Some are actually honest enough to say how many shots it took to connect. One very longwinded article was basically to showcase the guy's 1100yd shot, and he happened to mention that it took 72 rounds to hit. Next time, maybe it would've been 15, or 36. Throw enough bullets at something and you'll hit it eventually. Could be sooner, could be later. About all any of it proves is that it was time for that critter to be shot. At 1,000yds, misjudge the distance to that little thing on the ground by even 20 or 30yds and with a rainbow trajectory it's a big miss. A little wind between the muzzle and the target, again it's a solid miss. 5) Of course I have bad hits, everybody has. Parts blown off, guts hanging out, etc. I shoot it again. 6) Shooting is a funny thing. Lots of people let the ego get all wrapped up in what they can do - or would like to do - with a gun. There are whole bunch of guns in my gun room, and I shoot at stuff a long ways out when necessary. But I'd rather shoot once and hit once, also see launches and explosions. 7) Go back to the original post. He says 600yds and less, which means 110,195, 240, 410..... And he wants a gun that won't heat up quickly. And he wants something that blows things up more than a .223. He also considers the 22-250 to be just barely enough gun. 8) Not everything on this board is "longrange hunting". And I've only answered posts that weren't about...."longrange hunting." I'm done with this. Ain't gonna debate apples and oranges no more. [/QUOTE]
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