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Proof Barrels And Shermans.....WOW !
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<blockquote data-quote="LongRange338" data-source="post: 2487657" data-attributes="member: 5611"><p>You assume very much but are not reading my post, at a minimum trying to force my words out of context. I am a lifelong shooter and reloader, I shoot to a mile and enjoy it very, very much. I enjoy the shooting community at large and share as much experience as I can...</p><p></p><p>Anybody using a Weatherby cartridge, 6.5 or 7 SAUM, or other SAAMI standardized cartridge has a LOT more guidance and reliable reloading data available to them. Of course these cartridges are chosen for their performance within their respective action sizes. The Sherman cartridges are doing the same thing and I don't have ANY problem with the cartridge or design. The performance of the Sherman mags is nothing short of spectacular and I don't begrudge an educated individual for taking advantage.</p><p></p><p>I do follow the Sherman crowd online and am very much aware of the performance gained, just as with the Ackley Improved cartridges. The concept of wildcats is nothing new and has always been to gain a performance edge...</p><p></p><p>I am not speaking of an online group of people I am associated with, I am speaking of several people that I converse with in the real world face to face who are of the habit of touting their Sherman mags and velocities. I can tell you that I speak out of concern for their well being as it is good for nobody that a fellow shooter is injured after pushing their system (action, barrel, bullets, primers, brass) beyond its safe performance levels. The internet is very good at showing the shiny new extreme speed cartridge, but it is not very good at sharing that same information with a healthy dose of caution.</p><p></p><p>Couple the above newfound excitement of a shooter with the tight bore of the Proof and now you have a frustrated shooter reading online that his performance is subpar without the experience or judgement to know when to step away and look for sage advice. Frankly the loads posted on forums and social media are often times dangerous and obviously over pressure. The perfect storm of inexperienced reloaders with a shortage of components and an overeager fountain of information from varying degrees of knowledge is a situation I am seeing more and more of.</p><p></p><p>Now add in the liability that Proof is going to incur if they don't take a step back. My guess is that they are well aware that a great many of the issues related to the Sherman Magnum chamberings is not an issue with the barrel, chambering, or brass but a problem of PRESSURES. Pressures exacerbated by the perfect storm I mentioned above, but they are most likely only hearing about it from ONE SPECIFIC GROUP. Therfore it is my hypothesis that the group has a very large percentage of new reloaders who are very excited to experience the performance levels but don't know when to stop.</p><p></p><p>My thoughts are not a condemnation of the Sherman Mags, nor of Proof. My sense is telling me it is a situation of unrealistic expectations coupled with quality control issues.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LongRange338, post: 2487657, member: 5611"] You assume very much but are not reading my post, at a minimum trying to force my words out of context. I am a lifelong shooter and reloader, I shoot to a mile and enjoy it very, very much. I enjoy the shooting community at large and share as much experience as I can... Anybody using a Weatherby cartridge, 6.5 or 7 SAUM, or other SAAMI standardized cartridge has a LOT more guidance and reliable reloading data available to them. Of course these cartridges are chosen for their performance within their respective action sizes. The Sherman cartridges are doing the same thing and I don't have ANY problem with the cartridge or design. The performance of the Sherman mags is nothing short of spectacular and I don't begrudge an educated individual for taking advantage. I do follow the Sherman crowd online and am very much aware of the performance gained, just as with the Ackley Improved cartridges. The concept of wildcats is nothing new and has always been to gain a performance edge... I am not speaking of an online group of people I am associated with, I am speaking of several people that I converse with in the real world face to face who are of the habit of touting their Sherman mags and velocities. I can tell you that I speak out of concern for their well being as it is good for nobody that a fellow shooter is injured after pushing their system (action, barrel, bullets, primers, brass) beyond its safe performance levels. The internet is very good at showing the shiny new extreme speed cartridge, but it is not very good at sharing that same information with a healthy dose of caution. Couple the above newfound excitement of a shooter with the tight bore of the Proof and now you have a frustrated shooter reading online that his performance is subpar without the experience or judgement to know when to step away and look for sage advice. Frankly the loads posted on forums and social media are often times dangerous and obviously over pressure. The perfect storm of inexperienced reloaders with a shortage of components and an overeager fountain of information from varying degrees of knowledge is a situation I am seeing more and more of. Now add in the liability that Proof is going to incur if they don't take a step back. My guess is that they are well aware that a great many of the issues related to the Sherman Magnum chamberings is not an issue with the barrel, chambering, or brass but a problem of PRESSURES. Pressures exacerbated by the perfect storm I mentioned above, but they are most likely only hearing about it from ONE SPECIFIC GROUP. Therfore it is my hypothesis that the group has a very large percentage of new reloaders who are very excited to experience the performance levels but don't know when to stop. My thoughts are not a condemnation of the Sherman Mags, nor of Proof. My sense is telling me it is a situation of unrealistic expectations coupled with quality control issues. [/QUOTE]
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