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<blockquote data-quote="tim_w" data-source="post: 1809937" data-attributes="member: 11132"><p>When you purchase a FFL serialized receiver only (not a complete rifle as a donor or one that has ever been a completed firearm) should not be designated as either a rifle or a pistol as it has not been barreled or become a completed firearm when its transfered to you at your ffl. It's not of any type yet hence 'other' designation. On the 4473 it should be marked as "other firearm". "Other Firearm" designation can become any of the legal configs and does not become one until it's a complete barreled firearm. You should always ask and check it before the transfer is run thru if thete is any question. Tech it should not effect you but it makes it more a PITA. It happened with some FFL incorrectly marking completed lowers with a stock as a rifle on the 4473. Its understandable but the ATF clarification letter clearly states until its barreled/completed its classification does not change.</p><p></p><p>You then can turn it into any legal type of firearm you wish. In many ways a pistol works better from a universal and carry config. It also depends on your states reg. But you can turn a pistol into a rifle and back. There is a reason for that rule as pistols have tighter restriction via age and configs where rifles are less. You have encore to thank or we would not even have the ability of pistol to rifle.</p><p></p><p>In many states you can have a pistol loaded in a vehicle especially if you have a CCW but not a rifle etc.</p><p></p><p>So many seem to like switch barrels (not my thing) but with it being a pistol you can switch from a 12" barrel and pistol brace to a 16"+ and a stock and back again if you choose. Its actually rather moot if you build it yourself as there is no offical record of it being either a pistol or rifle thus without seeing it or others testimony no way for them to know if it was first a pistol or rifle. That is also why you are required to be 21 to buy a ffl receiver regardless what its its traditionally used for. The tech rule of course is once its built one way that's its official form factor.</p><p></p><p>Another interesting thing with NFA SBR is if you convert it so its not an sbr its tech no longer an NFA weapon nor has to follow the restrictions. You are not required to notify atf nfa div to take it off directory list but it was recommended unless it was to be sold then it would be. Basically you can go from more restrictive to less and back but not the other way. The back and forth use to mainly apply to ARs as its so modular but that is no longer the case so....</p><p></p><p>Then you have the less that 16" barrel but over 26" oal but without a shoulder stock being just a "firearm" without pistol or rifle designation. My guess is that could be converted to a rifle and back but would need an official ATF letter for clarification. But based on that they both have the same fed level of use and restrictions of 18 etc it should follow. But as has been proven logic rarely is where many rules are born from.</p><p></p><p>As always never rely on some internet post make sure to invesigate and get confirmation for yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tim_w, post: 1809937, member: 11132"] When you purchase a FFL serialized receiver only (not a complete rifle as a donor or one that has ever been a completed firearm) should not be designated as either a rifle or a pistol as it has not been barreled or become a completed firearm when its transfered to you at your ffl. It's not of any type yet hence 'other' designation. On the 4473 it should be marked as "other firearm". "Other Firearm" designation can become any of the legal configs and does not become one until it's a complete barreled firearm. You should always ask and check it before the transfer is run thru if thete is any question. Tech it should not effect you but it makes it more a PITA. It happened with some FFL incorrectly marking completed lowers with a stock as a rifle on the 4473. Its understandable but the ATF clarification letter clearly states until its barreled/completed its classification does not change. You then can turn it into any legal type of firearm you wish. In many ways a pistol works better from a universal and carry config. It also depends on your states reg. But you can turn a pistol into a rifle and back. There is a reason for that rule as pistols have tighter restriction via age and configs where rifles are less. You have encore to thank or we would not even have the ability of pistol to rifle. In many states you can have a pistol loaded in a vehicle especially if you have a CCW but not a rifle etc. So many seem to like switch barrels (not my thing) but with it being a pistol you can switch from a 12" barrel and pistol brace to a 16"+ and a stock and back again if you choose. Its actually rather moot if you build it yourself as there is no offical record of it being either a pistol or rifle thus without seeing it or others testimony no way for them to know if it was first a pistol or rifle. That is also why you are required to be 21 to buy a ffl receiver regardless what its its traditionally used for. The tech rule of course is once its built one way that's its official form factor. Another interesting thing with NFA SBR is if you convert it so its not an sbr its tech no longer an NFA weapon nor has to follow the restrictions. You are not required to notify atf nfa div to take it off directory list but it was recommended unless it was to be sold then it would be. Basically you can go from more restrictive to less and back but not the other way. The back and forth use to mainly apply to ARs as its so modular but that is no longer the case so.... Then you have the less that 16" barrel but over 26" oal but without a shoulder stock being just a "firearm" without pistol or rifle designation. My guess is that could be converted to a rifle and back but would need an official ATF letter for clarification. But based on that they both have the same fed level of use and restrictions of 18 etc it should follow. But as has been proven logic rarely is where many rules are born from. As always never rely on some internet post make sure to invesigate and get confirmation for yourself. [/QUOTE]
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