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Planning 1st Elk hunting trip....NEED HELP
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<blockquote data-quote="Red Sparky" data-source="post: 1052965" data-attributes="member: 37223"><p>I don't think your odds increase "greatly" if you put in with an outfitter. Nothing against outfitters or guides, they are getting at least 10% to try and help keep them in business. You get put into a 10% pool where if you don't have a guide you are put into a 6% pool. A difference of four tags/100 tags available. So let's say you put in for a hunt code with 100 tags. 84 go to residents, 10 go to <strong>residents and non-residents</strong> who apply with a guide, and 6 go to non-residents. </p><p></p><p>So I live here and am going with a guide and my three in state buddies. The computer assigns my application drawn first so we just took four tags out of 10. Now I could not enter into the 6% non-resident pool. What I would rather do is enter into the 84% pool and then contract with an outfitter if I needed one. Gives me a better chance rather than having non-residents fill the 10% pool by getting drawn first.</p><p></p><p>They go by hunt applications by "random" draw. Once your pool is filled ( resident, non-resident with guide or without) by hunt choice, it is filled. If your first choice 10% is filled they go to your second choice even if the 6% has no hunters drawn. If your second choice 10% is filled they go to your third choice even if the 6% has no hunters drawn. You are locked into that draw pool. So it is possible to not get drawn even with an outfitter. The tags the outfitters usually get without the draw are private land owner tags. I see them advertised in the Albuquerque Journal around hunt time from ranches that sell them if they have not leased to a guide.</p><p></p><p>So look at the full report by G&F to figure your draw odds. The hard part is this year they combined archery hunts so you only have two choices rather than three per unit. Same number of tags but two hunt choices rather than three so there will be about 150 more hunters putting in for 50 more tags for my first choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Red Sparky, post: 1052965, member: 37223"] I don't think your odds increase "greatly" if you put in with an outfitter. Nothing against outfitters or guides, they are getting at least 10% to try and help keep them in business. You get put into a 10% pool where if you don't have a guide you are put into a 6% pool. A difference of four tags/100 tags available. So let's say you put in for a hunt code with 100 tags. 84 go to residents, 10 go to [B]residents and non-residents[/B] who apply with a guide, and 6 go to non-residents. So I live here and am going with a guide and my three in state buddies. The computer assigns my application drawn first so we just took four tags out of 10. Now I could not enter into the 6% non-resident pool. What I would rather do is enter into the 84% pool and then contract with an outfitter if I needed one. Gives me a better chance rather than having non-residents fill the 10% pool by getting drawn first. They go by hunt applications by "random" draw. Once your pool is filled ( resident, non-resident with guide or without) by hunt choice, it is filled. If your first choice 10% is filled they go to your second choice even if the 6% has no hunters drawn. If your second choice 10% is filled they go to your third choice even if the 6% has no hunters drawn. You are locked into that draw pool. So it is possible to not get drawn even with an outfitter. The tags the outfitters usually get without the draw are private land owner tags. I see them advertised in the Albuquerque Journal around hunt time from ranches that sell them if they have not leased to a guide. So look at the full report by G&F to figure your draw odds. The hard part is this year they combined archery hunts so you only have two choices rather than three per unit. Same number of tags but two hunt choices rather than three so there will be about 150 more hunters putting in for 50 more tags for my first choice. [/QUOTE]
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