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Nosler e-tip or Barnes LRX?
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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 1614271" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Whether you want to "call" them a knock off or not, what they are, is an improvement on other copper mono bullets that are an improvement on Barnes bullets. </p><p></p><p>Since I joined this Forum 11 years ago, I have been in numerous bullet/ballistic discussion/debates. I have studied external and terminal ballistics in great depth.</p><p></p><p>Let's go through this step by step. First, this the Long Range Hunting forums. The LRX is a marginal LR hunting bullet. Not opinion, FACT. Why? Because it has a marginal BC because of its marginal form factor. Hammers have better form factors and better BC's... FACT. Flatter and farther shooting. Also, Barnes made of a harder alloy and have a different expansion design. Let's break that down more. Plastic tips are touted as expansion facilitators where in reality they don't always perform as advertised. (BTW, I've had Barnes plastic tips break in the magazine on me) The FACT is that a hollow point is the best facilitator of expansion as long as the opening is large enough. Hammers have more than adequate HP's. Hammers softer alloy also facilitates expansion. Barnes are designed to be a controlled expansion, mushrooming bullet. Mushrooming bullets create a temporary wound channel due to their rounded frontal, that partially closes behind the bullet. This more so in cup and core controlled expansion bullets. The Hammers are designed to shed their petals leaving a flatter frontal. Flat frontals cause more permanent wound channel damage than rounded frontals and continue in in straight line penetration. The large petals act as shredder blades to cause secondary wound channel havoc. Do you notice any difference yet? Hammer drive bands are designed much different than the Barnes. That and the softer alloy create less friction and pressure on the lands and grooves resulting in higher velocities. Machined monos such as CEB's, GS, and Hammers are extremely consistent in dimensions and weight, more so than Barnes, resulting in more consistent internal and external ballistics, resulting in more precision shooting, a requirement for Long Range Shooting and Hunting. </p><p></p><p>The only thing better about the Barnes is they're CHEAPER. I don't like that word. So, the cost of the average reliable precision LR rifle set up is probably $5K - $7K, not to mention the reloading equipment, brass, range finders, etc and we're concerned that higher quality bullets cost a few dollars more?</p><p></p><p>Barnes Bullets (and E-Tips) are OK bullets. I've shot both. They are what they are and they aren't what they aren't, and they don't match up to Hammers. I'm not posting this for your benefit because I don't believe you will listen to reason. You've dug yourself a pride hole that would require too much humility to climb out of. I'm posting this for the OP and others following this thread. </p><p></p><p>When you post misinformation and vague generalities you loose all credibility. You offer no facts or pertinent information to back your position. The ignorant should remain silent less they show their ignorance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 1614271, member: 11717"] Whether you want to "call" them a knock off or not, what they are, is an improvement on other copper mono bullets that are an improvement on Barnes bullets. Since I joined this Forum 11 years ago, I have been in numerous bullet/ballistic discussion/debates. I have studied external and terminal ballistics in great depth. Let's go through this step by step. First, this the Long Range Hunting forums. The LRX is a marginal LR hunting bullet. Not opinion, FACT. Why? Because it has a marginal BC because of its marginal form factor. Hammers have better form factors and better BC's... FACT. Flatter and farther shooting. Also, Barnes made of a harder alloy and have a different expansion design. Let's break that down more. Plastic tips are touted as expansion facilitators where in reality they don't always perform as advertised. (BTW, I've had Barnes plastic tips break in the magazine on me) The FACT is that a hollow point is the best facilitator of expansion as long as the opening is large enough. Hammers have more than adequate HP's. Hammers softer alloy also facilitates expansion. Barnes are designed to be a controlled expansion, mushrooming bullet. Mushrooming bullets create a temporary wound channel due to their rounded frontal, that partially closes behind the bullet. This more so in cup and core controlled expansion bullets. The Hammers are designed to shed their petals leaving a flatter frontal. Flat frontals cause more permanent wound channel damage than rounded frontals and continue in in straight line penetration. The large petals act as shredder blades to cause secondary wound channel havoc. Do you notice any difference yet? Hammer drive bands are designed much different than the Barnes. That and the softer alloy create less friction and pressure on the lands and grooves resulting in higher velocities. Machined monos such as CEB's, GS, and Hammers are extremely consistent in dimensions and weight, more so than Barnes, resulting in more consistent internal and external ballistics, resulting in more precision shooting, a requirement for Long Range Shooting and Hunting. The only thing better about the Barnes is they're CHEAPER. I don't like that word. So, the cost of the average reliable precision LR rifle set up is probably $5K - $7K, not to mention the reloading equipment, brass, range finders, etc and we're concerned that higher quality bullets cost a few dollars more? Barnes Bullets (and E-Tips) are OK bullets. I've shot both. They are what they are and they aren't what they aren't, and they don't match up to Hammers. I'm not posting this for your benefit because I don't believe you will listen to reason. You've dug yourself a pride hole that would require too much humility to climb out of. I'm posting this for the OP and others following this thread. When you post misinformation and vague generalities you loose all credibility. You offer no facts or pertinent information to back your position. The ignorant should remain silent less they show their ignorance. [/QUOTE]
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