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<blockquote data-quote="greenejc" data-source="post: 2306650" data-attributes="member: 60453"><p>Try again. The consistency of black powder was at least as good in the mid 1800's as it is today. They had been making it for about 400 years by then. Hodgdens doesn't make it much better than the good manufacturers made it before the civil war. Also, the powders used for the Sharps snipers were specially manufactured. And they did shoot to 7 and 800 yards at individual targets. So did the Confederate snipers. For that matter, until Carlos Hathcock made his 2500 meter shot in Vietnam, the longest measured and recorded sniping shot was made by Billy Dixon at Adobe Walls, Texas, at 1538 yards as measured by the US Army Corps of Engineers. He shot Quana Parker's sub-chief. The Creedmoor matches in 1874 and on were shot at 1,000 yards with Sharps and Remington Creedmoor rifles and there weren't many misses made on the American teams. As to the lead, they used a pure lead bullet for the Sharps paper cartridge rifle, hollow based so it would expand to fit the rifling perfectly. Accuracy and consistency weren't that much of a problem. Figuring drop was. But the guys who did this had been shooting since they were maybe 10 or 11 years old, using muzzle loading rifles and loose powder. They were good. The fact is that they did shoot individual targets at that distance, and the histories of the Civil War record it, including in many cases the range and photographic evidence. The bullet got there and it did it accurately. It just got there a little slower. Tests were conducted by the army on range and accuracy when the 45-70 was adopted that are eye-opening where range and penetration are concerned. President Lincoln was given a demonstration of the Sharps before it was adopted for Col. Berdan's Sharpshooters where Col. Berdan shot a silhouette of a man at 600 yards multiple times to show its effectiveness. And the Army and Marine snipers have been getting 1,000 yard + kills with the 7.62 and 30-06 since Korea. There were even some in Vietnam, where there weren't many long range oportunities due to terrain. Carlos had several confirmed kills with the -06 at 1,000 and beyond.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greenejc, post: 2306650, member: 60453"] Try again. The consistency of black powder was at least as good in the mid 1800's as it is today. They had been making it for about 400 years by then. Hodgdens doesn't make it much better than the good manufacturers made it before the civil war. Also, the powders used for the Sharps snipers were specially manufactured. And they did shoot to 7 and 800 yards at individual targets. So did the Confederate snipers. For that matter, until Carlos Hathcock made his 2500 meter shot in Vietnam, the longest measured and recorded sniping shot was made by Billy Dixon at Adobe Walls, Texas, at 1538 yards as measured by the US Army Corps of Engineers. He shot Quana Parker's sub-chief. The Creedmoor matches in 1874 and on were shot at 1,000 yards with Sharps and Remington Creedmoor rifles and there weren't many misses made on the American teams. As to the lead, they used a pure lead bullet for the Sharps paper cartridge rifle, hollow based so it would expand to fit the rifling perfectly. Accuracy and consistency weren't that much of a problem. Figuring drop was. But the guys who did this had been shooting since they were maybe 10 or 11 years old, using muzzle loading rifles and loose powder. They were good. The fact is that they did shoot individual targets at that distance, and the histories of the Civil War record it, including in many cases the range and photographic evidence. The bullet got there and it did it accurately. It just got there a little slower. Tests were conducted by the army on range and accuracy when the 45-70 was adopted that are eye-opening where range and penetration are concerned. President Lincoln was given a demonstration of the Sharps before it was adopted for Col. Berdan's Sharpshooters where Col. Berdan shot a silhouette of a man at 600 yards multiple times to show its effectiveness. And the Army and Marine snipers have been getting 1,000 yard + kills with the 7.62 and 30-06 since Korea. There were even some in Vietnam, where there weren't many long range oportunities due to terrain. Carlos had several confirmed kills with the -06 at 1,000 and beyond. [/QUOTE]
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