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<blockquote data-quote="B-LOT Banga" data-source="post: 2908250" data-attributes="member: 106734"><p><strong>Quoted [USER=106514]@.300 Dakota[/USER] </strong></p><p></p><p>"Blackjack, as you said, is off the table. Wasn't designed as a hunting bullet anyway. Neither are the 135 Bergers, 134 ELD-Ms, or Blackholes (unless you order them as the bonded version - Blaine told me himself he had no experience with on-game terminal performance). So out of all those you mentioned, there is 1 true hunting bullet north of 130 grains FOR MEDIUM AND LARGE GAME"</p><p>———————————————————————</p><p></p><p>Good Evening [USER=106514]@.300 Dakota[/USER]! Let me just clarify that I respect your opinion and you have every right to feel the way you do towards those bullets you mentioned. I'm not chiming in to bash or disrespect you or the way you fell about those bullets you mentioned. That being said I would share my experiences using those bullets you mentioned, I am in no way an expert and I'm learning everyday as I'm human.</p><p></p><p>First off like Bergers the Blackjack from what I understand was made for target and long range shooting. Like anything else shooters and hunters pushed the limits and to everyone's surprise they are extremely deadly when used correctly. My personal experiences with the 131 BJ's was in my 25-06 ai and 257 wby mag. Ive killed monster bulls, feral cattle, hogs, sheep, goats and axis deer. Most of them one shot kills except when I mess up a shot, they expanded and penetrated deep through cow shoulders to thin and lanky 80 lb goats. The only problem I ever had was they was discontinued and I like a lot of others got ripped off.</p><p></p><p>So I went with the next best thing the Berger 133 elite and 135 LRHT again in my 25-06 AI and 257 wby mag. Both shown exceptional performance almost identical to the 131 BJ's with surprisingly the 135 LRHT being a little better in accuracy and having a better wound channel. I've shot feral cattle out to 500 yds with these bullets as well as up close under 50 yds and they blew right through bone leaving a golf ball to tennis ball openings.</p><p></p><p>Out of this whole bunch I'm in love with the 145 blackhole bullets! So much so I made a reamer for a 25-7 PRC to get the speed and make full use of the higher BC and better ballistics. I've made head shots in feral cattle, front shoulder shots, paddle bone shots, quartering shots and even bad stomach shots. The blackhole done its job each and every time. I never had one dissolve and they always expanded and travel deep or just pass right thru. I'm curious as to how they will do with the extra speed my 25-7PRC will put out. Maybe then I will need a bonded version but at 257 wby @ 3200 fps I don't need to have one yet.</p><p></p><p>These are my experiences and I'm open to hear about any real world experiences you have as well. I have lots of pics documenting my claims but I'm not here to brag or cause drama just sharing what I've witnessed. I'm sure someone had them fail but I can tell you they work as intended and the label of "target", "hunting" or "tatical" is all about marketing. When used within reason and shot placed correctly all of these bullets are phenomenal killers, especially the 131 BJ and 145 BH.</p><p></p><p>I've only started to shoot the 134 eldx in my second 25-06 AI and 25 SAUM just to play. I've only taken a few animals not enough to make a solid assessment. Plus my 25 SAUM shoots 1/2" groups at blazing speeds with 110 gr Sierra GC so I'm leaving her alone for smaller animals.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for your time. Aloha!</p><p></p><p>PS. Hammers and Barnes are also exceptional bullets. I'm sure being a solid they would hold up very well and plow through anything! Good luck!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="B-LOT Banga, post: 2908250, member: 106734"] [B]Quoted [USER=106514]@.300 Dakota[/USER] [/B] “Blackjack, as you said, is off the table. Wasn't designed as a hunting bullet anyway. Neither are the 135 Bergers, 134 ELD-Ms, or Blackholes (unless you order them as the bonded version - Blaine told me himself he had no experience with on-game terminal performance). So out of all those you mentioned, there is 1 true hunting bullet north of 130 grains FOR MEDIUM AND LARGE GAME” ——————————————————————— Good Evening [USER=106514]@.300 Dakota[/USER]! Let me just clarify that I respect your opinion and you have every right to feel the way you do towards those bullets you mentioned. I’m not chiming in to bash or disrespect you or the way you fell about those bullets you mentioned. That being said I would share my experiences using those bullets you mentioned, I am in no way an expert and I’m learning everyday as I’m human. First off like Bergers the Blackjack from what I understand was made for target and long range shooting. Like anything else shooters and hunters pushed the limits and to everyone’s surprise they are extremely deadly when used correctly. My personal experiences with the 131 BJ’s was in my 25-06 ai and 257 wby mag. Ive killed monster bulls, feral cattle, hogs, sheep, goats and axis deer. Most of them one shot kills except when I mess up a shot, they expanded and penetrated deep through cow shoulders to thin and lanky 80 lb goats. The only problem I ever had was they was discontinued and I like a lot of others got ripped off. So I went with the next best thing the Berger 133 elite and 135 LRHT again in my 25-06 AI and 257 wby mag. Both shown exceptional performance almost identical to the 131 BJ’s with surprisingly the 135 LRHT being a little better in accuracy and having a better wound channel. I’ve shot feral cattle out to 500 yds with these bullets as well as up close under 50 yds and they blew right through bone leaving a golf ball to tennis ball openings. Out of this whole bunch I’m in love with the 145 blackhole bullets! So much so I made a reamer for a 25-7 PRC to get the speed and make full use of the higher BC and better ballistics. I’ve made head shots in feral cattle, front shoulder shots, paddle bone shots, quartering shots and even bad stomach shots. The blackhole done its job each and every time. I never had one dissolve and they always expanded and travel deep or just pass right thru. I’m curious as to how they will do with the extra speed my 25-7PRC will put out. Maybe then I will need a bonded version but at 257 wby @ 3200 fps I don’t need to have one yet. These are my experiences and I’m open to hear about any real world experiences you have as well. I have lots of pics documenting my claims but I’m not here to brag or cause drama just sharing what I’ve witnessed. I’m sure someone had them fail but I can tell you they work as intended and the label of “target”, “hunting” or “tatical” is all about marketing. When used within reason and shot placed correctly all of these bullets are phenomenal killers, especially the 131 BJ and 145 BH. I’ve only started to shoot the 134 eldx in my second 25-06 AI and 25 SAUM just to play. I’ve only taken a few animals not enough to make a solid assessment. Plus my 25 SAUM shoots 1/2” groups at blazing speeds with 110 gr Sierra GC so I’m leaving her alone for smaller animals. Thank you for your time. Aloha! PS. Hammers and Barnes are also exceptional bullets. I’m sure being a solid they would hold up very well and plow through anything! Good luck! [/QUOTE]
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