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<blockquote data-quote="TheDuckMaster" data-source="post: 3057572" data-attributes="member: 20039"><p>I wish people would stop using precise when referring to hunting bullets hitting their intended target. Just too many variables to be precise or in other words have a repeatable and measurable result. However if your killzone is let's say "approximately" 10 inches or a paper plate. And you hit that paper plate you are accurate. Accurate because you can within reason put all of your shots in the plate. Even though they may can be 10 inches apart.</p><p></p><p>I think the confusion is because you hear about precisely built rifles. "That's a presion gun!" In other words headspace and bolt faces for rifle ABC will be the same presion tolerance of 100 rifles built with a allowable tolerance of .005 for heads space and .0025 for bolt face.</p><p></p><p>But those PRECISE (repeatable ) tolerances are there because variables are reduced in the build. However, that build precision "cannot ever" be be carried over to the bullet impact as human variables, weather, altitude, BC, bullet design, weight and many other variables efect the impact of the bullet. However, that bullet will be accurate as it will meet the shooters expectations for delivery.</p><p></p><p>Heres a very simple example. If a Eric Cortina shoots 1.03 aggregate at 1000 yards he is precise, however if all of those shots are outside a 10 inch pie plate because he didn't dope the wind correctly he's not accurate. Yet a hunter shoots a 5 shots group 10 inches apart at 1000 yards he is accurate and precise because he can repeatedly hit the kill zone.</p><p></p><p>In closing think about it, good rifle rifle builder advertise <strong>1/2 MOA accuracy</strong> out of the box. They can do this as that precisely built rifle and the human factor was removed when testing. Heck even unlimited heavy class bench rifles (Rail Guns) are said to extremely accurate usung precise built rifles. But they can never be precise as all it takes is a flyer to ruin the statistics. </p><p></p><p>Remember this simple rule...<strong>Accurate is being correct, Precision is being repeatable!</strong></p><p></p><p>The title should be..."Required Accuracy for Long Range"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheDuckMaster, post: 3057572, member: 20039"] I wish people would stop using precise when referring to hunting bullets hitting their intended target. Just too many variables to be precise or in other words have a repeatable and measurable result. However if your killzone is let's say "approximately" 10 inches or a paper plate. And you hit that paper plate you are accurate. Accurate because you can within reason put all of your shots in the plate. Even though they may can be 10 inches apart. I think the confusion is because you hear about precisely built rifles. "That's a presion gun!" In other words headspace and bolt faces for rifle ABC will be the same presion tolerance of 100 rifles built with a allowable tolerance of .005 for heads space and .0025 for bolt face. But those PRECISE (repeatable ) tolerances are there because variables are reduced in the build. However, that build precision "cannot ever" be be carried over to the bullet impact as human variables, weather, altitude, BC, bullet design, weight and many other variables efect the impact of the bullet. However, that bullet will be accurate as it will meet the shooters expectations for delivery. Heres a very simple example. If a Eric Cortina shoots 1.03 aggregate at 1000 yards he is precise, however if all of those shots are outside a 10 inch pie plate because he didn't dope the wind correctly he's not accurate. Yet a hunter shoots a 5 shots group 10 inches apart at 1000 yards he is accurate and precise because he can repeatedly hit the kill zone. In closing think about it, good rifle rifle builder advertise [B]1/2 MOA accuracy[/B] out of the box. They can do this as that precisely built rifle and the human factor was removed when testing. Heck even unlimited heavy class bench rifles (Rail Guns) are said to extremely accurate usung precise built rifles. But they can never be precise as all it takes is a flyer to ruin the statistics. Remember this simple rule...[B]Accurate is being correct, Precision is being repeatable![/B] The title should be..."Required Accuracy for Long Range" [/QUOTE]
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