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Marketing Hype in Ballistics - Hornady 4DOF Solver
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<blockquote data-quote="mpk1996" data-source="post: 1226774" data-attributes="member: 27656"><p>Hello Kettle, my name is Pot</p><p></p><p>don't get me wrong, I love my AB kestrel and it provides great information. I get all companies have to make a decision on how they respond to competition, but I think AB here has made a mistake. From the "marketing" that I have see from Hornady on their new ballistics program they don't claim to be the first or only one to calc ballistics using aerodynamic jump, CE, Spin drift or any of it. They explain that those factors are how they came up with the name rather than say a "3D" name. What they do say is that they don't use BC to calc drop, but a drag factor based on actual Doppler results. </p><p></p><p>so, it seems to me that AB is trying to use there own "hype" to claim and misconstrue what hornady is saying and how they are doing it to try and not loose business. This is one of those situations where AB had a choice to say something about a new direct competitor or not, and chose the wrong path, in my humble opinion. </p><p></p><p>BTW, I will say this about the hornady program. in my 6mm Creedmoor shooting hornady 105g hpbt at 2980 fps, I had to really change the MV and BC to get my AB kestrel to true up to my actual dope. once I did, the results were great. but none of the advertised G1, G7 or Litz database numbers were even close. Since that bullet was one of the ones in the new hornady 4DOF data base, I plugged in the parameters and wx numbers for one of the days that I shot and had dope for. The numbers that the Hornady 4DOF spit out were spot on. So maybe its not all hype</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mpk1996, post: 1226774, member: 27656"] Hello Kettle, my name is Pot don't get me wrong, I love my AB kestrel and it provides great information. I get all companies have to make a decision on how they respond to competition, but I think AB here has made a mistake. From the "marketing" that I have see from Hornady on their new ballistics program they don't claim to be the first or only one to calc ballistics using aerodynamic jump, CE, Spin drift or any of it. They explain that those factors are how they came up with the name rather than say a "3D" name. What they do say is that they don't use BC to calc drop, but a drag factor based on actual Doppler results. so, it seems to me that AB is trying to use there own "hype" to claim and misconstrue what hornady is saying and how they are doing it to try and not loose business. This is one of those situations where AB had a choice to say something about a new direct competitor or not, and chose the wrong path, in my humble opinion. BTW, I will say this about the hornady program. in my 6mm Creedmoor shooting hornady 105g hpbt at 2980 fps, I had to really change the MV and BC to get my AB kestrel to true up to my actual dope. once I did, the results were great. but none of the advertised G1, G7 or Litz database numbers were even close. Since that bullet was one of the ones in the new hornady 4DOF data base, I plugged in the parameters and wx numbers for one of the days that I shot and had dope for. The numbers that the Hornady 4DOF spit out were spot on. So maybe its not all hype [/QUOTE]
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