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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 338723" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>montanarifleman, I think you are probably right. I have no experience with the Dakota or the straight 30-338 lapua. My experience is with the improved lapua case and I have used the ones that push the shoulder forward a few thousanths. In both 30 and 338 calibers pushing the shoulder forward just a bit seems to be the best version. Many out there though.</p><p></p><p>Bigbuck, That is a problem with the 300 wsm. Most guys do that one in a long action so you can seat the bullets way out there and still work them through the action. By using a long action that can be a benefit also to that cartridge. Same as the benefits of the much shorter 338 lapua improved compared to the 338-378 wby. Nearly the velocity in a more user friendly cartridge. I personally think the 300 wsm is a great 600 yard cartridge and at it's best using the 150-180 grain bullets. It would not be the best choice for extreme long range hunting with the big long, heavy bullets because of the slower velocities with the heavier bullets. I think a higher velocity round would be a better choice but it would work if a guy wanted to do it. Just my opinion.</p><p></p><p>Okie2, I realized I never really answered your question. All things considered for the super 30's in a custom rig I would do the 30-338 lapua improved. It falls just under the 30-378 wby and 30-416 imp in velocity with longer barrel life. If this is a sole purpose limited use long range hunting rig the 30-416 rigby imp with the 240 smk is hard to beat at the top. It needs a long barrel. It is just a longer version lapua. Same case, just longer. The lapua was based off it. In a hunting weight barrel again I go back to the lapua imp which is a more efficient case design that will retain more velocity in the shorter (26") hunting weight barrels. </p><p></p><p>In a standard cartridge just under the super 30's I would get the 300 ultramag or 300 wby. Take your pick comparing barrel life vs velocity.</p><p></p><p>The next step down I would do the 300 wsm. If this is your only rifle and it will get plenty of range use plus hunting this would be a good choice. The tikka t3 in 300 wsm weighs a little over 7 pounds scoped out with a 3-10 scope with a wide field of view for hunting. It makes a great 600 yard rifle which is where 99% of animals are taken and does not require a muzzle brake to shoot accurately.</p><p></p><p>Just my opinions but they come from many years experience. From all those years I understand you will get a thousand other opinions. My 270 will outshoot your 30-06. no it won't, yes it will. it gets bla, bla, bla.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 338723, member: 505"] montanarifleman, I think you are probably right. I have no experience with the Dakota or the straight 30-338 lapua. My experience is with the improved lapua case and I have used the ones that push the shoulder forward a few thousanths. In both 30 and 338 calibers pushing the shoulder forward just a bit seems to be the best version. Many out there though. Bigbuck, That is a problem with the 300 wsm. Most guys do that one in a long action so you can seat the bullets way out there and still work them through the action. By using a long action that can be a benefit also to that cartridge. Same as the benefits of the much shorter 338 lapua improved compared to the 338-378 wby. Nearly the velocity in a more user friendly cartridge. I personally think the 300 wsm is a great 600 yard cartridge and at it's best using the 150-180 grain bullets. It would not be the best choice for extreme long range hunting with the big long, heavy bullets because of the slower velocities with the heavier bullets. I think a higher velocity round would be a better choice but it would work if a guy wanted to do it. Just my opinion. Okie2, I realized I never really answered your question. All things considered for the super 30's in a custom rig I would do the 30-338 lapua improved. It falls just under the 30-378 wby and 30-416 imp in velocity with longer barrel life. If this is a sole purpose limited use long range hunting rig the 30-416 rigby imp with the 240 smk is hard to beat at the top. It needs a long barrel. It is just a longer version lapua. Same case, just longer. The lapua was based off it. In a hunting weight barrel again I go back to the lapua imp which is a more efficient case design that will retain more velocity in the shorter (26") hunting weight barrels. In a standard cartridge just under the super 30's I would get the 300 ultramag or 300 wby. Take your pick comparing barrel life vs velocity. The next step down I would do the 300 wsm. If this is your only rifle and it will get plenty of range use plus hunting this would be a good choice. The tikka t3 in 300 wsm weighs a little over 7 pounds scoped out with a 3-10 scope with a wide field of view for hunting. It makes a great 600 yard rifle which is where 99% of animals are taken and does not require a muzzle brake to shoot accurately. Just my opinions but they come from many years experience. From all those years I understand you will get a thousand other opinions. My 270 will outshoot your 30-06. no it won't, yes it will. it gets bla, bla, bla. [/QUOTE]
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