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<blockquote data-quote="JakeC" data-source="post: 2828315" data-attributes="member: 115819"><p>All birds have gizzards but the few whose feeding habits put them at risk are indeed often majestic. Read that as coincidence if you want, but they were symbolic while we were still putting lead in cosmetics and paint. The symbolism is our construct, the fact that they die if they eat lead is not. And they get ahold of it from hunting and fishing, they're not out in the desert feasting on car batteries and antique boats. Fishing in a lead free state is annoying but given that lead accounts for more than 40 percent of all known loon fatalities in New Hampshire's research over the last 30 years I'm okay with abiding by that rule when it's present. 7 loons per year in one small state is a lot: when you amplify that across the entire loon habitat zone that's hundreds and hundreds per year. One small sinker kills a loon in a few days. Birds do die if they eat lead. They just do. How much we care is a values call, and I think California did the worst possible job ramming values down people's throats instead of science. Which is a thing they do very well, I'll admit that as a moderate democrat. They way they often legislate is as unamerican as anything I see rammed through or overturned by the utah legislature. </p><p></p><p>On science and values, I personally don't think the sheer number of eagles and vultures dying of lead justifies limitations outside of condor habitat, even for those keystone scavenger species. Their recovery from other near-extinction catastrophes is strong enough that I just don't think it matters that much, even if it is a ghastly way to die. But they do die. I've found dead eagles. I know people who shoot buzzards when they take up residence in certain places and I'm ok with that. Even ducks and geese, which were dying by the millions, I've heard very good arguments that most of that was happening in very specific places where the right conditions overlapped. Even within condor habitat, the flu just killed a couple dozen in UT and AZ, where they can eat lead anytime they want. Now some folks are calling for lead moratoriums there and I don't know how I feel about that. I guess I would support a lead free zone around a place like Zion if professional scientists could make a good enough case to get it in place. But if they don't, it probably won't have much of an impact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JakeC, post: 2828315, member: 115819"] All birds have gizzards but the few whose feeding habits put them at risk are indeed often majestic. Read that as coincidence if you want, but they were symbolic while we were still putting lead in cosmetics and paint. The symbolism is our construct, the fact that they die if they eat lead is not. And they get ahold of it from hunting and fishing, they're not out in the desert feasting on car batteries and antique boats. Fishing in a lead free state is annoying but given that lead accounts for more than 40 percent of all known loon fatalities in New Hampshire's research over the last 30 years I'm okay with abiding by that rule when it's present. 7 loons per year in one small state is a lot: when you amplify that across the entire loon habitat zone that's hundreds and hundreds per year. One small sinker kills a loon in a few days. Birds do die if they eat lead. They just do. How much we care is a values call, and I think California did the worst possible job ramming values down people's throats instead of science. Which is a thing they do very well, I'll admit that as a moderate democrat. They way they often legislate is as unamerican as anything I see rammed through or overturned by the utah legislature. On science and values, I personally don't think the sheer number of eagles and vultures dying of lead justifies limitations outside of condor habitat, even for those keystone scavenger species. Their recovery from other near-extinction catastrophes is strong enough that I just don't think it matters that much, even if it is a ghastly way to die. But they do die. I've found dead eagles. I know people who shoot buzzards when they take up residence in certain places and I'm ok with that. Even ducks and geese, which were dying by the millions, I've heard very good arguments that most of that was happening in very specific places where the right conditions overlapped. Even within condor habitat, the flu just killed a couple dozen in UT and AZ, where they can eat lead anytime they want. Now some folks are calling for lead moratoriums there and I don't know how I feel about that. I guess I would support a lead free zone around a place like Zion if professional scientists could make a good enough case to get it in place. But if they don't, it probably won't have much of an impact. [/QUOTE]
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