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<blockquote data-quote="Lou270" data-source="post: 2820034" data-attributes="member: 5352"><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/articlegad.html[/URL]</p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusions</strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shooting percentages about 82%.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The farther the shot, the lower the chance of getting the deer.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Deer ran about 62 yards on average.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shot placement is determining factor. All things considered, broadside shoulder shot worked best compared to others.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">About 50:50, deer run vs. deer don't run.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Trained dog expedited recovery of all deer that ran.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dog very important in recovering 61 deer that left poor/no sign, 24 deer judged unrecoverable, and 19 live/wounded deer.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dog accounted for approximately 15 – 20% of total harvest on hunting area, i.e. 75 – 100 deer.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>No difference in effectiveness of various calibers.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No difference between factory vs. custom firearms.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Significant difference between bullet types. This study indicates that rapidly expanding bullets lead to deer running less often and less distance and when they run they leave better sign</em>.</li> </ul><p>I think you are assuming I am saying Hammers are bad so getting defensive? That is not case at all. Hammers and other petal shedders were likely not around at the time of this study. New / more studies are needed if we are to claim about effectivness of monos is equal as nothing to date backs up those claims other than anecdotal testimonies which swing either way. No offense to Steve and crew but ask any bullet maker and they will say theirs are best and there will be guys who say they are great and those who say they suck (and those guys are passionate about their choices)</p><p></p><p>As for 257 think that is this one but you only looked at table. Sounds like you had some poor bullet performance with your results. The study concluded did not see any difference increasing or decreasing caliber as between smaller and larger calibers at least for size of game and ranges in test. I guess one could take the table out of context as there is something magical about 257. What they did find is fast expanders killed more quickly and left better blood trails in all calibers. They had significantly more drops, less travel, and better blood trails. It probably infers that most of the more limited number of deer shot with 257 were shot with fast expanders.</p><p></p><p>Lou</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lou270, post: 2820034, member: 5352"] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/articlegad.html[/URL] [B]Conclusions[/B] [LIST] [*]Shooting percentages about 82%. [*]The farther the shot, the lower the chance of getting the deer. [*]Deer ran about 62 yards on average. [*]Shot placement is determining factor. All things considered, broadside shoulder shot worked best compared to others. [*]About 50:50, deer run vs. deer don't run. [*]Trained dog expedited recovery of all deer that ran. [*]Dog very important in recovering 61 deer that left poor/no sign, 24 deer judged unrecoverable, and 19 live/wounded deer. [*]Dog accounted for approximately 15 – 20% of total harvest on hunting area, i.e. 75 – 100 deer. [*][I]No difference in effectiveness of various calibers.[/I] [*]No difference between factory vs. custom firearms. [*][I]Significant difference between bullet types. This study indicates that rapidly expanding bullets lead to deer running less often and less distance and when they run they leave better sign[/I]. [/LIST] I think you are assuming I am saying Hammers are bad so getting defensive? That is not case at all. Hammers and other petal shedders were likely not around at the time of this study. New / more studies are needed if we are to claim about effectivness of monos is equal as nothing to date backs up those claims other than anecdotal testimonies which swing either way. No offense to Steve and crew but ask any bullet maker and they will say theirs are best and there will be guys who say they are great and those who say they suck (and those guys are passionate about their choices) As for 257 think that is this one but you only looked at table. Sounds like you had some poor bullet performance with your results. The study concluded did not see any difference increasing or decreasing caliber as between smaller and larger calibers at least for size of game and ranges in test. I guess one could take the table out of context as there is something magical about 257. What they did find is fast expanders killed more quickly and left better blood trails in all calibers. They had significantly more drops, less travel, and better blood trails. It probably infers that most of the more limited number of deer shot with 257 were shot with fast expanders. Lou [/QUOTE]
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