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<blockquote data-quote="*WyoWhisper*" data-source="post: 40827"><p>4mesh,</p><p></p><p>My post wasn't to antagonize anyone. It was indirectly directed at people who continually compared everything myself or anyone posted to 1,000 br.. that prompted me to 1. Get a little upset 2. Ask just what is the standard for rifles. not just one discipline of rifle either.</p><p>I guess you missed me repeatedly posting that....</p><p></p><p>I am sure that heating a barrel up will change A LOT of characteristics in a rifle.. but what others and myself have asked is "how many times do you actually shoot a hot barrel"? Varminters.. well I am one but I rarely shoot a hot barrel.... BR guys .. well sure they shoot a hot barrel but again the rifle isn't a br rifle.... That's why others and myself have said why couldn't things be kept in perspective.</p><p>Phil I haven't spent 6 pages arguing...last time I check numerous individuals posted here...</p><p></p><p>""if you can shoot 3 shots into whatever off a bipod, then you of all people must agree that there is very little handicap given up by the prone shooter to the BR shooter. How much smaller do you think a BR shooter can shoot at the ranges you posted"".....</p><p></p><p>I don't know how you shoot from a bi-pod maybe you have rear bag for a rest and I don't know what rifles you shoot but you mean to tell me all your rifles shoot the same from a bench and a bi-pod in field conditions?? Seriously, you mean that? If it is so easy and there is nothing given up to shooting off a pi-pod why don't more 1K br shooters do that at a match... ummm let me think.. because maybe you get better results from a bench made of concrete and there are less variables to deal with.. well then I guess they don't need a prone match and a BR match.... just throw 'em all together...sheesh common really...</p><p></p><p>""You guys act as if this gun is some sort of national shrine."" </p><p></p><p> Well, maybe in some respects, but you see I work pretty F'ing hard for my money and don't have a lot to just throw around. When I have something exaclty the way I like it .. I'm not afraid to brag about it or tell people how happy I am .. I mean that's what some of this space is for .. correct?</p><p></p><p>"" I've seen photos from YOU showing a pickup with a bail of hay and a guest wild animal in the bed. You don't honestly think I'm gonna believe that you haul hay in that truck? My God! It might get a scratch in the bed, Then what will you do? ""</p><p></p><p>Not sure is this is sarcasm or not...</p><p></p><p>Ummm, yes I do haul hay from that truck. I feed the stock from it daily... not sure what world you live in but here our trucks no matter how nice work for a living... and I have a spray in bed liner.. so scratches are irrelevant...</p><p></p><p>But that doesn't mean I want to go out andheat my barrel up all this time just to see how long it will last ..... you in all you wealthiness may have $500 at any given time for you to **** away .. I surly don't</p><p></p><p>I realize there are very objective opinions and very few "one and only one answers..." And I am not sure where I ****ed and moaned about a response I got. unless it was not kept in relevance to the type of rifle being used...</p><p></p><p>I try really hard not to name names here as I do generally like everyone here and this is the Internet so typically people get really offended when you specify or point them out.... and I believe I explained to Boyd I was not trying to single him out.. my intentions were not to upset anyone or hurt their feelings... but I wanted to discuss my view of things and well I'm just not always as politically correct as I need to be.. I can be very PC.. but I wasn't under the impression I needed to be here....</p><p></p><p>You can single me out everytime.. matter of fact I'd prefer it from you... </p><p></p><p>""Lets say that your gun exhibits a change of impact after firing several rounds. (Just for the sake of arguement.) Now, what shot does that change take place on? 4? 5? 10? 20? Where? Lets say for the sake of arguement that it's on shot # 4. Now, you shoot 3 today. You go hunting at great range tomorow and guess what, your barrel is NOT pointing where you think it is and no matter how good a "Doper" you are, shot 1 is NOT where you expect. Wouldn't you be happier knowing when that takes place? I would.""</p><p></p><p>Well, Phil... I have fired over 40 rounds without cleaning that rifle and it hasn't changed POI yet.. how many more should I fire to be sure?</p><p></p><p>You talk as though nothing that anyone says, does or shoots impresses you... well if we could only be as intelligent as you and as skilled as you then maybe you'd feel better...</p><p></p><p>Who am I to say I can shoot a 5" group at 1000 yards, maybe I can or maybe I can't. I sure as **** ain't gonna **** on someone's parade who shoots a good group unless I am sure I can do better.. There are a lot of really great shooters here some of which we don't even know of because they haven't, won't or can't post the pictures... who am I to judge unless I have done at least what they have or at least bettered it shooting the way they have...</p><p></p><p>Maybe I and others have been taken back a bit by the fact you act as if you could run out your door lay down and fire a 3 shot 2" group at 400 yards from a bi-pod ( no rear BR bag either ) without much effort... and hell that's child play right.. well then go do it and show me the results.. and if you can do it, or better yet, do better... PLEASE (I and I am serious ) explain to me your technique cause I deffinitly want to know what I am doing wrong...</p><p></p><p>I don't have that much ego and I am not to proud to ask for help....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="*WyoWhisper*, post: 40827"] 4mesh, My post wasn't to antagonize anyone. It was indirectly directed at people who continually compared everything myself or anyone posted to 1,000 br.. that prompted me to 1. Get a little upset 2. Ask just what is the standard for rifles. not just one discipline of rifle either. I guess you missed me repeatedly posting that.... I am sure that heating a barrel up will change A LOT of characteristics in a rifle.. but what others and myself have asked is "how many times do you actually shoot a hot barrel"? Varminters.. well I am one but I rarely shoot a hot barrel.... BR guys .. well sure they shoot a hot barrel but again the rifle isn't a br rifle.... That's why others and myself have said why couldn't things be kept in perspective. Phil I haven't spent 6 pages arguing...last time I check numerous individuals posted here... ""if you can shoot 3 shots into whatever off a bipod, then you of all people must agree that there is very little handicap given up by the prone shooter to the BR shooter. How much smaller do you think a BR shooter can shoot at the ranges you posted""..... I don't know how you shoot from a bi-pod maybe you have rear bag for a rest and I don't know what rifles you shoot but you mean to tell me all your rifles shoot the same from a bench and a bi-pod in field conditions?? Seriously, you mean that? If it is so easy and there is nothing given up to shooting off a pi-pod why don't more 1K br shooters do that at a match... ummm let me think.. because maybe you get better results from a bench made of concrete and there are less variables to deal with.. well then I guess they don't need a prone match and a BR match.... just throw 'em all together...sheesh common really... ""You guys act as if this gun is some sort of national shrine."" Well, maybe in some respects, but you see I work pretty F'ing hard for my money and don't have a lot to just throw around. When I have something exaclty the way I like it .. I'm not afraid to brag about it or tell people how happy I am .. I mean that's what some of this space is for .. correct? "" I've seen photos from YOU showing a pickup with a bail of hay and a guest wild animal in the bed. You don't honestly think I'm gonna believe that you haul hay in that truck? My God! It might get a scratch in the bed, Then what will you do? "" Not sure is this is sarcasm or not... Ummm, yes I do haul hay from that truck. I feed the stock from it daily... not sure what world you live in but here our trucks no matter how nice work for a living... and I have a spray in bed liner.. so scratches are irrelevant... But that doesn't mean I want to go out andheat my barrel up all this time just to see how long it will last ..... you in all you wealthiness may have $500 at any given time for you to **** away .. I surly don't I realize there are very objective opinions and very few "one and only one answers..." And I am not sure where I ****ed and moaned about a response I got. unless it was not kept in relevance to the type of rifle being used... I try really hard not to name names here as I do generally like everyone here and this is the Internet so typically people get really offended when you specify or point them out.... and I believe I explained to Boyd I was not trying to single him out.. my intentions were not to upset anyone or hurt their feelings... but I wanted to discuss my view of things and well I'm just not always as politically correct as I need to be.. I can be very PC.. but I wasn't under the impression I needed to be here.... You can single me out everytime.. matter of fact I'd prefer it from you... ""Lets say that your gun exhibits a change of impact after firing several rounds. (Just for the sake of arguement.) Now, what shot does that change take place on? 4? 5? 10? 20? Where? Lets say for the sake of arguement that it's on shot # 4. Now, you shoot 3 today. You go hunting at great range tomorow and guess what, your barrel is NOT pointing where you think it is and no matter how good a "Doper" you are, shot 1 is NOT where you expect. Wouldn't you be happier knowing when that takes place? I would."" Well, Phil... I have fired over 40 rounds without cleaning that rifle and it hasn't changed POI yet.. how many more should I fire to be sure? You talk as though nothing that anyone says, does or shoots impresses you... well if we could only be as intelligent as you and as skilled as you then maybe you'd feel better... Who am I to say I can shoot a 5" group at 1000 yards, maybe I can or maybe I can't. I sure as **** ain't gonna **** on someone's parade who shoots a good group unless I am sure I can do better.. There are a lot of really great shooters here some of which we don't even know of because they haven't, won't or can't post the pictures... who am I to judge unless I have done at least what they have or at least bettered it shooting the way they have... Maybe I and others have been taken back a bit by the fact you act as if you could run out your door lay down and fire a 3 shot 2" group at 400 yards from a bi-pod ( no rear BR bag either ) without much effort... and hell that's child play right.. well then go do it and show me the results.. and if you can do it, or better yet, do better... PLEASE (I and I am serious ) explain to me your technique cause I deffinitly want to know what I am doing wrong... I don't have that much ego and I am not to proud to ask for help.... [/QUOTE]
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