Been thinking... actually churning my guts... I actually hate to be the one to bring this up because it was my groups I posted... I actually wish it were someone elses groups... I'm sure at some point this happened to someone else and I should have mentioned it then... I'm deperately trying to keep from starting a ----ing match but it affects the whole board and in fact has chased some people from it. and turned a bunch of others off.. But I am the kinda guy to speak my mind and say what has to be said... that's just me... but hey we all can't be politically correct... when guys post groups.. 2 shots 3 shots 5 shots 10 shots which is better? Which proves more? Which means you're a good shot or the rifle is just that good? Which proves both? Why don't 3 or 5 shot groups get respect? Why do 10 shots = a better group? Does it prove that that 10 shot rifle is better? Or does it prove the shooter is better? Really ?? How many guys can take their LR hunting rifle. ( after all this is the LR hunting board ) and put 1 shot within inches of their point of aim without a sighter? Beyond 500 yards...? Now be honest... BR shooters how many sighters do you fire before you start shooting your groups? 2,3,4 10 , 15 ?? I know for a fact most of you shoot SEVERAL! How many have hit your point of aim within inches the first or second round? Again, be honest. Just questions I would like to have answered... I also know more here would like to hear it too.. but I respect their not wanting to make waves.. me I'm just direct I guess.. If you flame me.. so be it... I don't in any way mean any disrespect.. just some trends I have noticed over the past few months...That not only affected me.. but more than you realize... give credit where credit is due or establish criteria for rifle shooter perfromance... As I mentioned... my get-together is.. the truth, demistify and make you honest! Or just show up and share and learn.. that's waht I'm gonna do!