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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 40747" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Ric</p><p></p><p>Now that things have settled down a tad let me add something that was mentioned and some other thoughts.</p><p></p><p>There have been some good answers from JB and 6.5.</p><p></p><p>We "are" comparing apples to oranges here. The Tactical rifle was not meant to be a</p><p>benchrest style rifle however many bench guns are used for Longrange hunting. </p><p></p><p>I think for testing purposes, a 5 shot group should be used and a "Bench" and rests</p><p> should be used at "first" to get the "full" potential of even "your" tactical rifle. Then after that, go to the bi-pod and see what you can do with it with the bi-pod on.</p><p>It may "not" shoot any better from the bench?</p><p></p><p>As per the factory rifles shooting good groups. Yes, I have seen Sendaros and 40X remingtons shoot every bit as good as some of the groups I have seen posted here from the Tactical types, yours included.</p><p></p><p>Not sure if they would be consistant as yours but, I believe they would with a bi-pod attached as you like to shoot. A good test would be for "you" to shoot each type and cpmpare the two on the same day and near the same time. Every shooter is different.</p><p></p><p>I mentioned before that I saw a Sendaro win the light gun class at Williamsport with a 10 shot 8" group. Some factory guns will do that. His 100 yard group was very small.</p><p>I know that the 40X (have had many) will shoot as good as many custom tactical guns do. Not all but, many. It depends on the shooter, the loading he does and conditions that day. The quality is very good in the 40x.</p><p></p><p>You mentioned helping the new guy on here.</p><p>Cost for a custom gun such as yours, probably $2000.00 or more.</p><p>I think most newbies would opt to buy a Sendaro for $600.00 or a 40X for $1000.00 rather then go the route for a custom job when the Factory will probably do the same thing especially at the 100 yard and 700 yard mark. We are talking hunting here.</p><p>I think you know which one most on this forum will buy especially if they are a newbie? If your wanting to help the new guy, then we must give credit to the factory rifle also as a hunting style rifle that you </p><p>can attach a bi-pod on. I have a factory Sendaro in the 300 Weatherby rifle that would be a fine 1000 yard rifle for hunting and it just sits in my closet. </p><p></p><p>As per Boyds fine 5 shot group with the 300 RUM (I think) and 240 gr bullets.</p><p>The gun is not a full custom as you may think if it's the one I think it was.</p><p>That rifle has the lowly Mauser action, a long stainless barrel and a chunk of wood that's not that great.</p><p></p><p>At 100 yards it does well but, if I remember correctly, it did not shoot that well at 1000 yards and that's when he went to the 300 WSM and shortened the barrel. Boyd will correct me if I'm wrong. That group could have been with the rechambered 300WSM using the 240 gr but, I don't think so.</p><p></p><p>Your group from a bi-pod was a decent group. Your rifle is made for hunting and if it's good enough for you, that's all that counts.</p><p></p><p>I do think that 5 shots should be the proving grounds for any custom gun that you want to see the potential it has and it should be shot from a bench and rests "at first."</p><p>This procedure will give you the confidence in the rifle and know in your own mind that if you shoot a bad group with a bi-pod on </p><p>after you have proven that the rifle is a tack driver, it's either shooter error, condition changes, loading problems or a host of other things. Could be the bi-pod on a very hard surface to.</p><p></p><p>You don't have to try 10 shots with that rifle. It will be fine for the intended purpose it was made for as it is and the groups it is shooting.</p><p></p><p>Later</p><p>DC <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 40747, member: 34"] Ric Now that things have settled down a tad let me add something that was mentioned and some other thoughts. There have been some good answers from JB and 6.5. We "are" comparing apples to oranges here. The Tactical rifle was not meant to be a benchrest style rifle however many bench guns are used for Longrange hunting. I think for testing purposes, a 5 shot group should be used and a "Bench" and rests should be used at "first" to get the "full" potential of even "your" tactical rifle. Then after that, go to the bi-pod and see what you can do with it with the bi-pod on. It may "not" shoot any better from the bench? As per the factory rifles shooting good groups. Yes, I have seen Sendaros and 40X remingtons shoot every bit as good as some of the groups I have seen posted here from the Tactical types, yours included. Not sure if they would be consistant as yours but, I believe they would with a bi-pod attached as you like to shoot. A good test would be for "you" to shoot each type and cpmpare the two on the same day and near the same time. Every shooter is different. I mentioned before that I saw a Sendaro win the light gun class at Williamsport with a 10 shot 8" group. Some factory guns will do that. His 100 yard group was very small. I know that the 40X (have had many) will shoot as good as many custom tactical guns do. Not all but, many. It depends on the shooter, the loading he does and conditions that day. The quality is very good in the 40x. You mentioned helping the new guy on here. Cost for a custom gun such as yours, probably $2000.00 or more. I think most newbies would opt to buy a Sendaro for $600.00 or a 40X for $1000.00 rather then go the route for a custom job when the Factory will probably do the same thing especially at the 100 yard and 700 yard mark. We are talking hunting here. I think you know which one most on this forum will buy especially if they are a newbie? If your wanting to help the new guy, then we must give credit to the factory rifle also as a hunting style rifle that you can attach a bi-pod on. I have a factory Sendaro in the 300 Weatherby rifle that would be a fine 1000 yard rifle for hunting and it just sits in my closet. As per Boyds fine 5 shot group with the 300 RUM (I think) and 240 gr bullets. The gun is not a full custom as you may think if it's the one I think it was. That rifle has the lowly Mauser action, a long stainless barrel and a chunk of wood that's not that great. At 100 yards it does well but, if I remember correctly, it did not shoot that well at 1000 yards and that's when he went to the 300 WSM and shortened the barrel. Boyd will correct me if I'm wrong. That group could have been with the rechambered 300WSM using the 240 gr but, I don't think so. Your group from a bi-pod was a decent group. Your rifle is made for hunting and if it's good enough for you, that's all that counts. I do think that 5 shots should be the proving grounds for any custom gun that you want to see the potential it has and it should be shot from a bench and rests "at first." This procedure will give you the confidence in the rifle and know in your own mind that if you shoot a bad group with a bi-pod on after you have proven that the rifle is a tack driver, it's either shooter error, condition changes, loading problems or a host of other things. Could be the bi-pod on a very hard surface to. You don't have to try 10 shots with that rifle. It will be fine for the intended purpose it was made for as it is and the groups it is shooting. Later DC [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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