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<blockquote data-quote="*WyoWhisper*" data-source="post: 40742"><p>AJ,</p><p></p><p>I am calm.. now.. caught be before my first cup of coffee.. bad idea...</p><p></p><p>you are right they are comparing apples to oranges.. but they can't or won't admit it.</p><p></p><p>Boyd,</p><p></p><p>My original post was not bashing or bad mouthing anything.. it was an observation that has all the truth in the world to it and I know many if not the majority here agree. I wasn't refereing to my groups but to numerous others here as well. I wasn't really upset in my first post but really debating wehter or not to post it.. buu I felt it had to be said after some e-mails I have recieved not just this time but other times as well even when things were said about someone elses groups. It is clear that any time someone posted a group it was automatically compared to a 10 shot string at "WP" or somthing to the degree of.. that good but now try "X" number of shots...</p><p>well thats a peaches and cream if we all had BR guns and shot with $600 rests off concrete benchs but we don't. I have yet to see the " die hard "WP" " boys put up pics of their rifles shooting tiny groups off a bi-pod .. and I'll go on record right now and be the first to give an "atta boy" to anyone shooting 5" or less over 500 yards.. from a prone postiion off a bi-pod thats just not that easy to get a good group unless you know you stuff.</p><p>My whole entire point in this thread was..</p><p>WHAT IS THE CRITERIA SET FORTH TO VALIDATE A GOOD RIFLE OR GOOD GROUP? INTHE CORECT SITUATION AND CONTEXT.</p><p></p><p>and the coment of that you would expect a factory gun to shoot like that.. maybe once in a blue moon... or the occasional great factory stick.. but it is easy to see I actually pulled one shot in that 770 group or the wind caught me. 2 shots are within 1.5" of each other and I know they were the 1st and 3rd shot. What would you smith reactlike if I said his rifles shoot like a factory stick? Man that was unfounded, untrue and pretty ballsie! I have yet to see numerous factory sticks shoot like that... and you can't compare those factory sticks you talking about like they are used in the LR video's those rests are **** near like a bench situation. I know I shot from them! </p><p></p><p>Like I said until you guys are shooting like that off a pi-pod it is hard to validate your response. Not groups from a bench or an ultimate tri-pod.. prone on the ground... with a bi-pod..I you have done this or can do it.. hell tell me or show me.. I'll give props...</p><p></p><p>ask JB he just shot 5 shots at 300 from a bi-pod.. it just ain't as easy as a concrete bench....</p><p></p><p></p><p>JB.. I mag fed all my groups.. I tend to shoot like I would in a hunting situation... I think you know that it ain't as easy as ya may think.</p><p></p><p>the 300WSM only holds 3 so thats why I have really only shot 3 shots from both rifles...</p><p></p><p>6.5 Bandit,</p><p>See you get what I am saying! I agree that some BR guns would make great hunting rifles but.. how many guys do you see willing to expose their 1K Br gun to the eliments and dirt of hunting? So may but you know the rifle is kept all warm and fuzzy until they are ready for a shot... How many of them do you see screw on a bi-pod to the end of it?</p><p></p><p>but don't worry boys.. I will ( if I have the time and the weather cooperates ) be shooting 5 and 10 shot groups this weekend.</p><p></p><p></p><p>back to my original point and then I'm off the soap box....</p><p></p><p>1. What validates a good group?</p><p>2. What validates a good rifle?</p><p>3. How many shots make it valid or accepted?</p><p></p><p>does anyone consider the set up shooting situation and conditions when guys are posting the pics?</p><p></p><p></p><p>All I want is for the masses here to keep things relative..and in perspective. We are a select diverse group... who has it tough enough</p><p></p><p>[ 02-26-2004: Message edited by: *WyoWhisper* ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="*WyoWhisper*, post: 40742"] AJ, I am calm.. now.. caught be before my first cup of coffee.. bad idea... you are right they are comparing apples to oranges.. but they can't or won't admit it. Boyd, My original post was not bashing or bad mouthing anything.. it was an observation that has all the truth in the world to it and I know many if not the majority here agree. I wasn't refereing to my groups but to numerous others here as well. I wasn't really upset in my first post but really debating wehter or not to post it.. buu I felt it had to be said after some e-mails I have recieved not just this time but other times as well even when things were said about someone elses groups. It is clear that any time someone posted a group it was automatically compared to a 10 shot string at "WP" or somthing to the degree of.. that good but now try "X" number of shots... well thats a peaches and cream if we all had BR guns and shot with $600 rests off concrete benchs but we don't. I have yet to see the " die hard "WP" " boys put up pics of their rifles shooting tiny groups off a bi-pod .. and I'll go on record right now and be the first to give an "atta boy" to anyone shooting 5" or less over 500 yards.. from a prone postiion off a bi-pod thats just not that easy to get a good group unless you know you stuff. My whole entire point in this thread was.. WHAT IS THE CRITERIA SET FORTH TO VALIDATE A GOOD RIFLE OR GOOD GROUP? INTHE CORECT SITUATION AND CONTEXT. and the coment of that you would expect a factory gun to shoot like that.. maybe once in a blue moon... or the occasional great factory stick.. but it is easy to see I actually pulled one shot in that 770 group or the wind caught me. 2 shots are within 1.5" of each other and I know they were the 1st and 3rd shot. What would you smith reactlike if I said his rifles shoot like a factory stick? Man that was unfounded, untrue and pretty ballsie! I have yet to see numerous factory sticks shoot like that... and you can't compare those factory sticks you talking about like they are used in the LR video's those rests are **** near like a bench situation. I know I shot from them! Like I said until you guys are shooting like that off a pi-pod it is hard to validate your response. Not groups from a bench or an ultimate tri-pod.. prone on the ground... with a bi-pod..I you have done this or can do it.. hell tell me or show me.. I'll give props... ask JB he just shot 5 shots at 300 from a bi-pod.. it just ain't as easy as a concrete bench.... JB.. I mag fed all my groups.. I tend to shoot like I would in a hunting situation... I think you know that it ain't as easy as ya may think. the 300WSM only holds 3 so thats why I have really only shot 3 shots from both rifles... 6.5 Bandit, See you get what I am saying! I agree that some BR guns would make great hunting rifles but.. how many guys do you see willing to expose their 1K Br gun to the eliments and dirt of hunting? So may but you know the rifle is kept all warm and fuzzy until they are ready for a shot... How many of them do you see screw on a bi-pod to the end of it? but don't worry boys.. I will ( if I have the time and the weather cooperates ) be shooting 5 and 10 shot groups this weekend. back to my original point and then I'm off the soap box.... 1. What validates a good group? 2. What validates a good rifle? 3. How many shots make it valid or accepted? does anyone consider the set up shooting situation and conditions when guys are posting the pics? All I want is for the masses here to keep things relative..and in perspective. We are a select diverse group... who has it tough enough [ 02-26-2004: Message edited by: *WyoWhisper* ] [/QUOTE]
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