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<blockquote data-quote="25WSM" data-source="post: 1773719" data-attributes="member: 38048"><p>Just buy the Remington 700 in 300wsm I built for Morehouse. You will see what a Remington can be. Seems some are confusing the terms and functions here about why Remington are junk. They are for sure not junk and can be reliable and accurate with a few mods. People that tinker hate on Remington Because They can't do it themselves and are sometimes the one causing the issues. I'm going to explain a couple things that happens right now.</p><p>1) your bolt has only one lug that touches.</p><p>2) your bolt handle is too far back and has very little Primary Extraction.</p><p>3) tolerance stacking in all the mating surfaces.</p><p>Once these have been adressed it is a very good action. Is it the best. Heck no not by a long shot. But it will perform as good as other clones. Here is what people try to do that makes things worse.</p><p>1) improper lug lapping. Even if I cut and lap the lugs perfectly it just made the gun worse for now. The bolt handle moved further from where it was and you lose all or most of your primary extraction.</p><p>2) most people don't know handle need repositioned. So not normally a problem here.</p><p>3) people try all kinds of jigs powered jigs to get straight pieces with perfect 90s on these actions. Most work good if you are skilled.</p><p>Most Remington 700s are going to be straight enough to shoot good out of the box for 1/2 moa aplications. So if the lugs are lapped and then the handle is moved up to give the primary extraction a chance it is a solid performer.</p><p>People are using primary extraction and extration as the same thing and it is not. Primary is when the ramps on bolt handle and action press again each other during rotation of the bolt body and breaks the shell lose from chamber after firing. It doesn't need to move far fortunately. The most you can have the better.</p><p>Lots of people think the extractor, the physical part that catches the rim on a 700 is week. It is not weak. They seldom break unless you are blowing tons of primers. I have replaced more sako type extractors than the Remington clip style. In my opinion they all work well. Even mini-m16 extractors. To me it's a non issue.</p><p>Full bluepring will fix the lugs. Fix the primary extraction. And make perfect alignments between parts. These action can shoot zeros with proper cartridges and barrels tuning loads. Can be just as accurate as BR actions personslly I never thought I would ever say this.</p><p>But I don't think the full monty blueprint is worth it on a 700. Just fix the 2 problem areas and be done. Money is the issue. Here's why. Full custom action around 1400. Full monty blueprint 700. That's a big difference. The leftover 700 can be a proof research barrel. Or chassis or McMillan. Here is the solution. All those mid price actions that are 700 to 850 in price. They are all you need for most builds. Straight strong accurate and better resale value. Sure it's not the full custom with every bell and whistle but your 700 bucks can buy all kinds of bells and whistles. Send me some of it and see. I never could find where the bells went on my actions.</p><p>Shep</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="25WSM, post: 1773719, member: 38048"] Just buy the Remington 700 in 300wsm I built for Morehouse. You will see what a Remington can be. Seems some are confusing the terms and functions here about why Remington are junk. They are for sure not junk and can be reliable and accurate with a few mods. People that tinker hate on Remington Because They can't do it themselves and are sometimes the one causing the issues. I'm going to explain a couple things that happens right now. 1) your bolt has only one lug that touches. 2) your bolt handle is too far back and has very little Primary Extraction. 3) tolerance stacking in all the mating surfaces. Once these have been adressed it is a very good action. Is it the best. Heck no not by a long shot. But it will perform as good as other clones. Here is what people try to do that makes things worse. 1) improper lug lapping. Even if I cut and lap the lugs perfectly it just made the gun worse for now. The bolt handle moved further from where it was and you lose all or most of your primary extraction. 2) most people don't know handle need repositioned. So not normally a problem here. 3) people try all kinds of jigs powered jigs to get straight pieces with perfect 90s on these actions. Most work good if you are skilled. Most Remington 700s are going to be straight enough to shoot good out of the box for 1/2 moa aplications. So if the lugs are lapped and then the handle is moved up to give the primary extraction a chance it is a solid performer. People are using primary extraction and extration as the same thing and it is not. Primary is when the ramps on bolt handle and action press again each other during rotation of the bolt body and breaks the shell lose from chamber after firing. It doesn't need to move far fortunately. The most you can have the better. Lots of people think the extractor, the physical part that catches the rim on a 700 is week. It is not weak. They seldom break unless you are blowing tons of primers. I have replaced more sako type extractors than the Remington clip style. In my opinion they all work well. Even mini-m16 extractors. To me it's a non issue. Full bluepring will fix the lugs. Fix the primary extraction. And make perfect alignments between parts. These action can shoot zeros with proper cartridges and barrels tuning loads. Can be just as accurate as BR actions personslly I never thought I would ever say this. But I don't think the full monty blueprint is worth it on a 700. Just fix the 2 problem areas and be done. Money is the issue. Here's why. Full custom action around 1400. Full monty blueprint 700. That's a big difference. The leftover 700 can be a proof research barrel. Or chassis or McMillan. Here is the solution. All those mid price actions that are 700 to 850 in price. They are all you need for most builds. Straight strong accurate and better resale value. Sure it's not the full custom with every bell and whistle but your 700 bucks can buy all kinds of bells and whistles. Send me some of it and see. I never could find where the bells went on my actions. Shep [/QUOTE]
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