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<blockquote data-quote="loaders_loft" data-source="post: 247109" data-attributes="member: 10540"><p>So, you guys think retumbo and 7828ssc are the powders to start with? </p><p>Is that based on max velocity, accuracy or some other handy tidbit of info you've found?</p><p> </p><p>I ask because although I have not tried retumbo or 7828, I received a message (excerpt below, sorry for the unformatted data table) from Walt Berger recently, which named 3 popular powders for the 168 VLD.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">... have listed the three more popular powders for this cartridge and they are in no particular order: RE 25; RETUMBO and IMR 7828 SSC. Load data was generated using Quick Load a 24 inch barrel a COAL of 2.860 inches and your COAL and velocity could be a little different. </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Bullet</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Powder</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Start Load</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Approx Start Velocity</strong></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Max Load </span></strong></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Approx Max Velocity </span></strong></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Fill Ratio</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">H4831SC </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">61.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2795 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">64.8 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2964 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">95.80%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">IMR 7828SSC </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">61 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2851 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">64.7 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3023 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">96.10%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">NORMA MRP</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">60 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2797 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">63.2 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2940 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">93.00%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Ramshot Magnum </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">66 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2844 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">70.1 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3040 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">99.90%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">VIHT N560 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">61 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2846 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">65.1 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3035 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">95.20%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">WIN WXR</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">61 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2834 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">64.8 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3002 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">96.30%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">RE-22 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">60.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2826 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">64.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3004 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">97.40%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">AA MAGPRO </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">64 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2845 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">67.9 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3026 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">97.80%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">H4350 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">55.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2717 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">58.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2851 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">88.30%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">IMR 4350 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">55 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2815 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">57.8 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2935 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">89.30%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">RETUMBO </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">66 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2823 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">69.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3027 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">105.50%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">RE-25 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">63.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2817 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">66.8 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3012 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">102.50%</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">168 Grain </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">H1000 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">65 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2824 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">68.5 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2988 </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">101.60%</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="loaders_loft, post: 247109, member: 10540"] So, you guys think retumbo and 7828ssc are the powders to start with? Is that based on max velocity, accuracy or some other handy tidbit of info you've found? I ask because although I have not tried retumbo or 7828, I received a message (excerpt below, sorry for the unformatted data table) from Walt Berger recently, which named 3 popular powders for the 168 VLD. [B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]... have listed the three more popular powders for this cartridge and they are in no particular order: RE 25; RETUMBO and IMR 7828 SSC. Load data was generated using Quick Load a 24 inch barrel a COAL of 2.860 inches and your COAL and velocity could be a little different. [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][B]Bullet[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][B]Powder[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][B]Start Load[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][B]Approx Start Velocity[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][B][FONT=Arial]Max Load [/FONT][/B][/SIZE][SIZE=2][B][FONT=Arial]Approx Max Velocity [/FONT][/B][/SIZE][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Fill Ratio[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]H4831SC [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]61.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2795 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]64.8 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2964 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]95.80%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]IMR 7828SSC [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]61 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2851 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]64.7 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3023 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]96.10%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]NORMA MRP[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]60 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2797 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]63.2 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2940 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]93.00%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Ramshot Magnum [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]66 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2844 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]70.1 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3040 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]99.90%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]VIHT N560 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]61 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2846 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]65.1 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3035 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]95.20%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]WIN WXR[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]61 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2834 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]64.8 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3002 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]96.30%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]RE-22 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]60.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2826 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]64.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3004 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]97.40%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]AA MAGPRO [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]64 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2845 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]67.9 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3026 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]97.80%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]H4350 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]55.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2717 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]58.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2851 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]88.30%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]IMR 4350 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]55 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2815 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]57.8 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2935 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]89.30%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]RETUMBO [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]66 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2823 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]69.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3027 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]105.50%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]RE-25 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]63.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2817 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]66.8 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]3012 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]102.50%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]168 Grain [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]H1000 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]65 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2824 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]68.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]2988 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]101.60%[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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