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<blockquote data-quote="engineer40" data-source="post: 1099721" data-attributes="member: 90399"><p>You must have something loose on your shotgun or on your scope. I've had this happen to me twice over the years. It's very frustrating! Especially when you are spending the stupid prices people get for sabots. But to shoot a good group, then with the same ammo shoot a 9 inch group.... something is not staying tight. Unless you are really flinching that hard anticipating the recoil. </p><p></p><p>Everything with your scope and rings blue loctite'd? </p><p></p><p>I have a rifled barrel Rem 870 12 gauge I use now. But I've shot a lot of deer and paper with a smooth bore Rem 870 using the cheap Federal $4/box rifled slugs and could keep 2-3 inch groups at 75 yards no problem. And that's no scope, just the bead at the end of the barrel.</p><p></p><p>You are using a known accurate shotgun model, multiple kinds of good ammo, and a good scope... something is amiss. </p><p></p><p>Also keep in mind that you usually do shoot a bit high if shooting from an elevated tree stand. </p><p></p><p>I've never had to clean my shotgun that often to keep it shooting accurate whilst testing ammo's and sighting in. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some things I've really found help with not flinching and helping with recoil for shooting slugs are: </p><p>I double up on Limbsaver recoil pads. First I put a Precision Fit on and it stays on all the time; <a href="http://www.limbsaver.com/product/new-airtech-recoil-pad/" target="_blank">AirTech Precision-fit Recoil Pad | LimbSaver</a> </p><p>Then when I'm at the range shooting a lot I also put a Slip On pad in addition to the one that's always on; <a href="http://www.limbsaver.com/product/airtech-slip-on-recoil/" target="_blank">AirTech Slip-On Recoil Pad | LimbSaver</a> </p><p></p><p>That's 2 inches of thick squishy Limbsaver wonderfulness. I don't use the Slip On when hunting as I don't care about recoil when I'm hunting and I have a thick coat on anyways. </p><p></p><p>I tried a 12 gauge shotgun muzzle brake. I'm a big fan of brakes on my rifles but they don't work at all on shotguns. Literally at all. I don't even know why they exist. </p><p></p><p>Does your Savage have the 2 part trigger like their rifles do? The part that moves inside of the other part? IMO, those are not good triggers to have on anything with a stout recoil. It's best to to "surprised" when the gun fires. So you can pull the trigger slow, steady, and stay on target without flinching. Those 2 part triggers make it impossible for me to be "surprised" when the guns fire and therefore, WAY harder to not flinch. </p><p></p><p>I got one of those mercury recoil tubes to install in the stock but I don't really feel like I need it anymore after doubling up on the Limbsavers. So I never installed it.</p><p></p><p>If you tighten everything up and are still getting the same results, hopefully you purchased the shotgun locally and can bring it back to the dealer and explain it to them. Or call Savage? You're doing more right than wrong; just need to figure out what's causing the variations in group sizes. Hope this helps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="engineer40, post: 1099721, member: 90399"] You must have something loose on your shotgun or on your scope. I've had this happen to me twice over the years. It's very frustrating! Especially when you are spending the stupid prices people get for sabots. But to shoot a good group, then with the same ammo shoot a 9 inch group.... something is not staying tight. Unless you are really flinching that hard anticipating the recoil. Everything with your scope and rings blue loctite'd? I have a rifled barrel Rem 870 12 gauge I use now. But I've shot a lot of deer and paper with a smooth bore Rem 870 using the cheap Federal $4/box rifled slugs and could keep 2-3 inch groups at 75 yards no problem. And that's no scope, just the bead at the end of the barrel. You are using a known accurate shotgun model, multiple kinds of good ammo, and a good scope... something is amiss. Also keep in mind that you usually do shoot a bit high if shooting from an elevated tree stand. I've never had to clean my shotgun that often to keep it shooting accurate whilst testing ammo's and sighting in. Some things I've really found help with not flinching and helping with recoil for shooting slugs are: I double up on Limbsaver recoil pads. First I put a Precision Fit on and it stays on all the time; [URL="http://www.limbsaver.com/product/new-airtech-recoil-pad/"]AirTech Precision-fit Recoil Pad | LimbSaver[/URL] Then when I'm at the range shooting a lot I also put a Slip On pad in addition to the one that's always on; [URL="http://www.limbsaver.com/product/airtech-slip-on-recoil/"]AirTech Slip-On Recoil Pad | LimbSaver[/URL] That's 2 inches of thick squishy Limbsaver wonderfulness. I don't use the Slip On when hunting as I don't care about recoil when I'm hunting and I have a thick coat on anyways. I tried a 12 gauge shotgun muzzle brake. I'm a big fan of brakes on my rifles but they don't work at all on shotguns. Literally at all. I don't even know why they exist. Does your Savage have the 2 part trigger like their rifles do? The part that moves inside of the other part? IMO, those are not good triggers to have on anything with a stout recoil. It's best to to "surprised" when the gun fires. So you can pull the trigger slow, steady, and stay on target without flinching. Those 2 part triggers make it impossible for me to be "surprised" when the guns fire and therefore, WAY harder to not flinch. I got one of those mercury recoil tubes to install in the stock but I don't really feel like I need it anymore after doubling up on the Limbsavers. So I never installed it. If you tighten everything up and are still getting the same results, hopefully you purchased the shotgun locally and can bring it back to the dealer and explain it to them. Or call Savage? You're doing more right than wrong; just need to figure out what's causing the variations in group sizes. Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]
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