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Ft.lbs - How Much Is Enough?
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<blockquote data-quote="MagnumManiac" data-source="post: 1461135" data-attributes="member: 10755"><p>You may believe what you say, but an animal is NOT a human, I have witnessed twice in my life now animals being hit by cars travelling at more than 60mph where the animal is thrown into the air and get up and run away. Animals DO NOT FEAR DEATH, this is a human trait, an animal is not AWARE it is going to die, they do not go into shock like humans do, so, many wounds that are fatal to humans are not always fatal to animals.</p><p></p><p>Your examples of buffalo are good, but I have never found them hard to kill, here our water buffalo are significantly larger than cape buffalo, I have used 7x57, 308, 300WM/Weatherby, 338WM, 375H&H/Weatherby, 416 Rigby/RemMag, 404 Jeffrey, 458 Lott, 505 Gibbs, 500NE + 577BPE.</p><p>Every one had no trouble killing buffalo, only difference was time.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of your beliefs, there are many many examples of ANIMALS surviving what should have been fatal, even with expanding bullets as you say.</p><p>One of two toughest animals I have ever encountered are kangaroos, they will take 3 hits to the vitals from a 25-06 100gr pill before dropping, they can cover a 300 acre paddock with these hits, only a fence pulls them up. The other animal that is tougher than you'd expect are feral cats, they react as if nothing happened when shot, just like elk and other large deer do. I watched an Eland get shot TWICE with a 338Edge and 285gr Cutting Edge (I think IIRC) it stood there with NO REACTION, both the guide, the hunter and myself thought it was 2 misses, but being it was my rifle I knew it was sighted correctly, we were getting ready for the third shot when a huge plume of blood foam spewed from it's nostrils and it started to sway, then fell over stone dead.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only time I am NOT thinking about SHOT PLACEMENT is when I'm calculating my dope, at normal ranges, the ONLY thing I'm concerned with IS shot placement.</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MagnumManiac, post: 1461135, member: 10755"] You may believe what you say, but an animal is NOT a human, I have witnessed twice in my life now animals being hit by cars travelling at more than 60mph where the animal is thrown into the air and get up and run away. Animals DO NOT FEAR DEATH, this is a human trait, an animal is not AWARE it is going to die, they do not go into shock like humans do, so, many wounds that are fatal to humans are not always fatal to animals. Your examples of buffalo are good, but I have never found them hard to kill, here our water buffalo are significantly larger than cape buffalo, I have used 7x57, 308, 300WM/Weatherby, 338WM, 375H&H/Weatherby, 416 Rigby/RemMag, 404 Jeffrey, 458 Lott, 505 Gibbs, 500NE + 577BPE. Every one had no trouble killing buffalo, only difference was time. Regardless of your beliefs, there are many many examples of ANIMALS surviving what should have been fatal, even with expanding bullets as you say. One of two toughest animals I have ever encountered are kangaroos, they will take 3 hits to the vitals from a 25-06 100gr pill before dropping, they can cover a 300 acre paddock with these hits, only a fence pulls them up. The other animal that is tougher than you’d expect are feral cats, they react as if nothing happened when shot, just like elk and other large deer do. I watched an Eland get shot TWICE with a 338Edge and 285gr Cutting Edge (I think IIRC) it stood there with NO REACTION, both the guide, the hunter and myself thought it was 2 misses, but being it was my rifle I knew it was sighted correctly, we were getting ready for the third shot when a huge plume of blood foam spewed from it’s nostrils and it started to sway, then fell over stone dead. The only time I am NOT thinking about SHOT PLACEMENT is when I’m calculating my dope, at normal ranges, the ONLY thing I’m concerned with IS shot placement. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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