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<blockquote data-quote="toddc" data-source="post: 735715" data-attributes="member: 4566"><p>Tough one boss.</p><p>Lots of mutually exclusive wants on here.</p><p>1. Tame to shoot-1000 yd elk meds arent usually tame, Im not a big beleiver in short 7s and 300 for elk at 1k. Yep itll kill em but youre running outa energy.</p><p>2.cheap to shoot-with elk on the table no bullet will be CHEAP per se.</p><p>3. high bc/sd-High weight for caliber usually takes a lotta powder, ie not tame</p><p>4. barrel life+ short tube-speeds needed for high bc bullets@ 1k means a buncha powder </p><p>5 elk-need a rifle with the other 5 points</p><p>6 good to 1000 (which is really 12-1300) Will ya shoot one at 1001?</p><p></p><p>This makes it tough but lets see.</p><p></p><p>7mm with a 180@3k. This would be a bare minimum to me especially with elk on the table. If you cut the elk requirement back to 800 I'd feel better.</p><p>30 with a 215 @ 3k. This would be better than the seven with me comfortable with an easy wind call to 1k on elk. Dicey wind and dial it back to 800.</p><p>338 with 300@2850. Best for actual killing power and wind calls. If ya cant hit it with this combo some more practice might be in order. Its that good. The minuses are weight,size,recoil and blast. As good as it shoots these things must be addressed. Just like in algebra though sometimes 1 minus can nullify others. Use weight to make it work. A 17lb 338 with a good brake will be a pussycat to shoot. My 12 yr old shoots mine and he wont play football! </p><p>You stated you had several other rifles that shot well but not 1k stuff. Use them for walking hunts and if you get a static setup bring out the 338. I carry mine where it needs to go to make the shot. Yeah its a hefty bitch but once you are there its over, somethings dying. 13-14lb 338s are controllable I just prefer a heavier gun for the bags. Nothing can be done about cost. 338 300gr are at least $.70 a pop for the slug+powder+etc. I can tell you this...once you start shooting 1k with a good gun itll be 1.2k then 1.3k....you get the picture. A 338 will actually save you money because you will miss less especially in the 1000+ range that we all eventually go to.</p><p>Any 7mm,300,338 that will hit those velocities with those BCs will be a good rig. </p><p>With elk in the mix I say a 338 is the way to go. Every negative except cost with a 338 can be dealt with by building a 13lb+ gun with a good brake and a set of earmuffs. This gives you a round MILES ahead of any 7mm or 300.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toddc, post: 735715, member: 4566"] Tough one boss. Lots of mutually exclusive wants on here. 1. Tame to shoot-1000 yd elk meds arent usually tame, Im not a big beleiver in short 7s and 300 for elk at 1k. Yep itll kill em but youre running outa energy. 2.cheap to shoot-with elk on the table no bullet will be CHEAP per se. 3. high bc/sd-High weight for caliber usually takes a lotta powder, ie not tame 4. barrel life+ short tube-speeds needed for high bc bullets@ 1k means a buncha powder 5 elk-need a rifle with the other 5 points 6 good to 1000 (which is really 12-1300) Will ya shoot one at 1001? This makes it tough but lets see. 7mm with a 180@3k. This would be a bare minimum to me especially with elk on the table. If you cut the elk requirement back to 800 I'd feel better. 30 with a 215 @ 3k. This would be better than the seven with me comfortable with an easy wind call to 1k on elk. Dicey wind and dial it back to 800. 338 with 300@2850. Best for actual killing power and wind calls. If ya cant hit it with this combo some more practice might be in order. Its that good. The minuses are weight,size,recoil and blast. As good as it shoots these things must be addressed. Just like in algebra though sometimes 1 minus can nullify others. Use weight to make it work. A 17lb 338 with a good brake will be a pussycat to shoot. My 12 yr old shoots mine and he wont play football! You stated you had several other rifles that shot well but not 1k stuff. Use them for walking hunts and if you get a static setup bring out the 338. I carry mine where it needs to go to make the shot. Yeah its a hefty bitch but once you are there its over, somethings dying. 13-14lb 338s are controllable I just prefer a heavier gun for the bags. Nothing can be done about cost. 338 300gr are at least $.70 a pop for the slug+powder+etc. I can tell you this...once you start shooting 1k with a good gun itll be 1.2k then 1.3k....you get the picture. A 338 will actually save you money because you will miss less especially in the 1000+ range that we all eventually go to. Any 7mm,300,338 that will hit those velocities with those BCs will be a good rig. With elk in the mix I say a 338 is the way to go. Every negative except cost with a 338 can be dealt with by building a 13lb+ gun with a good brake and a set of earmuffs. This gives you a round MILES ahead of any 7mm or 300. [/QUOTE]
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