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<blockquote data-quote="Aoudad shooter1975" data-source="post: 1513209" data-attributes="member: 102560"><p>I would somewhat agree that 130 grains is pushing case capacity that is for sure..we are getting 2415 fps out of a 21 inch TC encore. I did not shoot this guy at extreme range. 147 yards to be exact. It would be like shooting him with a creedmoor at 300, and I see mule deer and other things "rolled" all the time at a lot greater distance with less retained energy that what my Grendel had at 145 yards (my grendle was packing about 1,500lb of energy at 145 yards). The shot was solid--might have been high--but solid on the shoulder--I watched the impact and so did my compadre. He had a 300 WSM on him--and pulled off when I did as we thought he was "toast".Just 45 min earlier we watched the same bullet/gun combo wack a 215lb hog DRT at 130 yards....I know better--a mature axis buck--are big, heavy and robust animals--they require a well constructed, well placed bullet. This was a good learning lesson for me. I myself will not use a berger bullet for a game animal again. As I said in a earlier post--I have been underwhelmed with some of the performance on game. I can count on about 6 occasions where we looked and said--"well he dead--but boy we didn't get much penetration..." This was a "backyard deer" for me but still does not make me second guess my bullet selection. I love the way Bergers shoot--but don't know if I'm sold anymore of them sheading so much of there weight...think I want a hole in and hole out from now on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aoudad shooter1975, post: 1513209, member: 102560"] I would somewhat agree that 130 grains is pushing case capacity that is for sure..we are getting 2415 fps out of a 21 inch TC encore. I did not shoot this guy at extreme range. 147 yards to be exact. It would be like shooting him with a creedmoor at 300, and I see mule deer and other things "rolled" all the time at a lot greater distance with less retained energy that what my Grendel had at 145 yards (my grendle was packing about 1,500lb of energy at 145 yards). The shot was solid--might have been high--but solid on the shoulder--I watched the impact and so did my compadre. He had a 300 WSM on him--and pulled off when I did as we thought he was "toast".Just 45 min earlier we watched the same bullet/gun combo wack a 215lb hog DRT at 130 yards....I know better--a mature axis buck--are big, heavy and robust animals--they require a well constructed, well placed bullet. This was a good learning lesson for me. I myself will not use a berger bullet for a game animal again. As I said in a earlier post--I have been underwhelmed with some of the performance on game. I can count on about 6 occasions where we looked and said--"well he dead--but boy we didn't get much penetration..." This was a "backyard deer" for me but still does not make me second guess my bullet selection. I love the way Bergers shoot--but don't know if I'm sold anymore of them sheading so much of there weight...think I want a hole in and hole out from now on. [/QUOTE]
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