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Coppermelt, what am I doing wrong?
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<blockquote data-quote="jb1000br" data-source="post: 74561" data-attributes="member: 1459"><p>Let review...</p><p></p><p>All i said was WO was less stressful, and less complicated to use.</p><p></p><p>I also said wipeout takes more time, but less effort.</p><p></p><p>you said:</p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> I don't understand how you could know that Coppermelt takes more time if you have never tried it. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>regarding my statement:</p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> it takes more time, but much less effort.</p><p>let it soak for a few hours (i have let it soak for 2 days, but like overnight the best) and patch it out.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p></p><p>then you said:</p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> And I know what you meant. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>You obviously didnt know what i meant with a statement like that.</p><p></p><p>Misunderstanding on your part only, no need to lynch me up for speaking of what i dont know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif</p><p></p><p>My statement still stands -- WIPEOUT takes MORE soak time, but is less hassle than is conveyed in this thread, for the reasons posted above -- no lies, just facts. </p><p></p><p>No bashing, just facts.</p><p></p><p>WIPEOUT only requires you spray it in, and patch it out 15min-several hours later -- how much less complicated could it be?</p><p></p><p>Im just trying to tell this feller that there are less complicated options out there--again, Am I wrong?</p><p></p><p>I have not said anything that is not true, have I? I have just stated facts right?</p><p></p><p>Didnt make a huge deal out of anything, again just stated facts.</p><p></p><p>Again, I know Coppermelt is FASTER, but that was not the point of my post!</p><p></p><p>You said:</p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> Remember, most forms of bacteria (which are also made up of simple proteins and amino acids I believe) actually thrive much better in hot weather. I'm sure that if you left it on your dashboard with the windows rolled up in August that it would kill it, </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Now, as far as enzymes v. bacteria:</p><p></p><p>enzymes in solution, as opposed to being contained within bacteria are a totally different ball game, and much more susceptible to damage. INSIDE bacteria they are in a protected, buffered environment, IN SOLUTION (like coppermelt) THEY ARE NOT.</p><p></p><p>so they are more sensitive</p><p></p><p>as far as bacteria that thrive in heat, MOST bacteria in the world are mesophiles and like body temp (37C). Some thermophiles like it hot, but pretty much exist around volcanic vents on the ocean floor.</p><p></p><p>So this has absolutely nothing to do with naked enzymes in solution</p><p></p><p>In direct sunlight (not on the dash, just on your shooting table maybe) will push that baby WAY past 37C, and probably closer to 60C -- This will NOT BE GOOD for the enzyme!</p><p></p><p>I would hate to accidentaly leave a new 30$ bottle in the sun and have it ruined by heat.</p><p></p><p>You said:</p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> I remember from a post of your's awhile back that you keep all your ammo in a cooler during the match. Good idea. If it worries you, keep the Coppermelt in there too but I think that is over-reacting. It really is not as frangible as it sounds. I have not been kind to mine all the time and it still has a gruesome appetite for copper.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Not in a cooler, just in a pelican 1200(?) box -- keeps the temp a little more stable.</p><p></p><p>If you get some FACTS about the enzyme's hardiness and tolerance, i'd like to hear them.</p><p></p><p>also you said:</p><p></p><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p> Bottom line:</p><p>Please don't discourage folks from trying it just because you don't like it for some reason that's not founded on personal experience. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>Wasnt try to discourage, and was basing what i said on FACTS -- again, just letting the feller (who started this thread) know that there are other options.</p><p></p><p>JB</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jb1000br, post: 74561, member: 1459"] Let review... All i said was WO was less stressful, and less complicated to use. I also said wipeout takes more time, but less effort. you said: [ QUOTE ] I don't understand how you could know that Coppermelt takes more time if you have never tried it. [/ QUOTE ] regarding my statement: [ QUOTE ] it takes more time, but much less effort. let it soak for a few hours (i have let it soak for 2 days, but like overnight the best) and patch it out. [/ QUOTE ] then you said: [ QUOTE ] And I know what you meant. [/ QUOTE ] You obviously didnt know what i meant with a statement like that. Misunderstanding on your part only, no need to lynch me up for speaking of what i dont know [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] My statement still stands -- WIPEOUT takes MORE soak time, but is less hassle than is conveyed in this thread, for the reasons posted above -- no lies, just facts. No bashing, just facts. WIPEOUT only requires you spray it in, and patch it out 15min-several hours later -- how much less complicated could it be? Im just trying to tell this feller that there are less complicated options out there--again, Am I wrong? I have not said anything that is not true, have I? I have just stated facts right? Didnt make a huge deal out of anything, again just stated facts. Again, I know Coppermelt is FASTER, but that was not the point of my post! You said: [ QUOTE ] Remember, most forms of bacteria (which are also made up of simple proteins and amino acids I believe) actually thrive much better in hot weather. I'm sure that if you left it on your dashboard with the windows rolled up in August that it would kill it, [/ QUOTE ] Now, as far as enzymes v. bacteria: enzymes in solution, as opposed to being contained within bacteria are a totally different ball game, and much more susceptible to damage. INSIDE bacteria they are in a protected, buffered environment, IN SOLUTION (like coppermelt) THEY ARE NOT. so they are more sensitive as far as bacteria that thrive in heat, MOST bacteria in the world are mesophiles and like body temp (37C). Some thermophiles like it hot, but pretty much exist around volcanic vents on the ocean floor. So this has absolutely nothing to do with naked enzymes in solution In direct sunlight (not on the dash, just on your shooting table maybe) will push that baby WAY past 37C, and probably closer to 60C -- This will NOT BE GOOD for the enzyme! I would hate to accidentaly leave a new 30$ bottle in the sun and have it ruined by heat. You said: [ QUOTE ] I remember from a post of your's awhile back that you keep all your ammo in a cooler during the match. Good idea. If it worries you, keep the Coppermelt in there too but I think that is over-reacting. It really is not as frangible as it sounds. I have not been kind to mine all the time and it still has a gruesome appetite for copper. [/ QUOTE ] Not in a cooler, just in a pelican 1200(?) box -- keeps the temp a little more stable. If you get some FACTS about the enzyme's hardiness and tolerance, i'd like to hear them. also you said: [ QUOTE ] Bottom line: Please don't discourage folks from trying it just because you don't like it for some reason that's not founded on personal experience. [/ QUOTE ] Wasnt try to discourage, and was basing what i said on FACTS -- again, just letting the feller (who started this thread) know that there are other options. JB [/QUOTE]
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