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<blockquote data-quote="VinceMule" data-source="post: 2775290" data-attributes="member: 122164"><p>CRK, I don't know what kind of brush you ran down that barrel, but Dewey, Pro shot, and Tipton brushes do not scratch barrels. I have Teslong and Hawkeye Bore scopes that magnify 25X.</p><p></p><p>I have a flock of the highest-quality Stainless barrels.</p><p></p><p>Rockwell hardness of 416 SS barrels can vary, and barrel makers are subject to whatever comes from the foundry. If a bronze bristle brush puts a bunch of scratches through the bore, I suspect that the foundry has sent out a batch of steel in the area of 19 Rockwell which would be softer than the average 416 SS. This soft steel batch happened around 15 years ago, and barrel makers got hammered with complaints.</p><p></p><p>I will be making some videos shortly documenting how some of the Snake Oil bore solvents do not get bores down to the bare metal, as it takes a mechanical action of some kind, like your patch wrapped around the plastic brush. I do believe that your patch on a plastic-brush method is a solid recommendation.</p><p></p><p>I have purchased many barrels that were take-offs where the owners cleaned with patches, the barrels quit shooting, and they assumed that the barrels were shot out. Some of the benchrest shooters that only clean with patches where they are cleaning every 7-12 rounds were still fouled badly over time. It is not worth a gunsmith's time to get the barrel clean.</p><p></p><p>Everyone has their own ideas of what is Good enough, but carbon builds up, getting extremely hard to remove over time as you know.</p><p></p><p>One thing for sure, with all those rod strokes down the bore, a rod guide with a bushing that goes in the back of the rod guide that centers the rod in the bore sure keeps the lands form wearing from 5 to 8 O'clock.</p><p></p><p>416 Stainless barrels run 24-26 Rockwell on an average, some may run 28. The soft barrels will run 19 and brushes will scratch them over time. The 19 Rockwell barrels are a mistake from the foundry as a rule.</p><p></p><p>Stainless Steel brushes should be outlawed because they will ruin a barrel within 20 cycles of the brush, I saw it done...hard head would not listen to me!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VinceMule, post: 2775290, member: 122164"] CRK, I don't know what kind of brush you ran down that barrel, but Dewey, Pro shot, and Tipton brushes do not scratch barrels. I have Teslong and Hawkeye Bore scopes that magnify 25X. I have a flock of the highest-quality Stainless barrels. Rockwell hardness of 416 SS barrels can vary, and barrel makers are subject to whatever comes from the foundry. If a bronze bristle brush puts a bunch of scratches through the bore, I suspect that the foundry has sent out a batch of steel in the area of 19 Rockwell which would be softer than the average 416 SS. This soft steel batch happened around 15 years ago, and barrel makers got hammered with complaints. I will be making some videos shortly documenting how some of the Snake Oil bore solvents do not get bores down to the bare metal, as it takes a mechanical action of some kind, like your patch wrapped around the plastic brush. I do believe that your patch on a plastic-brush method is a solid recommendation. I have purchased many barrels that were take-offs where the owners cleaned with patches, the barrels quit shooting, and they assumed that the barrels were shot out. Some of the benchrest shooters that only clean with patches where they are cleaning every 7-12 rounds were still fouled badly over time. It is not worth a gunsmith's time to get the barrel clean. Everyone has their own ideas of what is Good enough, but carbon builds up, getting extremely hard to remove over time as you know. One thing for sure, with all those rod strokes down the bore, a rod guide with a bushing that goes in the back of the rod guide that centers the rod in the bore sure keeps the lands form wearing from 5 to 8 O'clock. 416 Stainless barrels run 24-26 Rockwell on an average, some may run 28. The soft barrels will run 19 and brushes will scratch them over time. The 19 Rockwell barrels are a mistake from the foundry as a rule. Stainless Steel brushes should be outlawed because they will ruin a barrel within 20 cycles of the brush, I saw it done...hard head would not listen to me! [/QUOTE]
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