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<blockquote data-quote="ATH" data-source="post: 53788" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>A lot of people don't bother to check into what good long-range hunters go through to be that good. Others simply think their way (ie up-close) is the only ethical way.</p><p> As for the latter, what is sporting or ethical about blasting a deer from 20 yards with a gun? I've killed deer from 198 yards down to 6 feet. Nothing sporting about bow-range gun kills. Any accomplished bowhunter isn't too challenged in occasionally stalking within 20-30 yards of a deer, or positioning a stand to put themselves that close. So I don't see how you can argue the range factor as being a huge issue from that standpoint. If I want to shoot a deer at 20 yards, I'll take my bow, it's a hell of a lot more of an adrenaline rush. End of story.</p><p> As for people not knowing the equipment and skills involved, it's just simple ignorance. I was at a 100-yard range working up loads for my muzzleloader last fall and was getting mad because the load I was working up was throwing 2-inch groups. I heard the guy next to me say about his group "that's good enough, we're not trying to shoot quarters." I swung my scope over to his target....10 inch 100 yard group with a scoped .270 off a bench! With hundreds of shooters like that around, I guess it isn't surprising that they (and all those that observe their misadventures) don't think long-range hunting is ethical from the perspective of wounding/missing animals.</p><p> I experience this a lot since my only "long range" experience is muzzleloading to 300 yards. People tell me all the time it's irresponsible and unethical. They don't bother to check that my spitzer bullets have more energy and velocity at 300 yards than a legal round ball at 40 yards, or that I shoot 4-5 inch groups sitting off a bipod at 300.</p><p> I'm brand-new here, absorbing the info for the day I can get into centerfire long-range fun. Very helpful forum from what I've seen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ATH, post: 53788, member: 1656"] A lot of people don't bother to check into what good long-range hunters go through to be that good. Others simply think their way (ie up-close) is the only ethical way. As for the latter, what is sporting or ethical about blasting a deer from 20 yards with a gun? I've killed deer from 198 yards down to 6 feet. Nothing sporting about bow-range gun kills. Any accomplished bowhunter isn't too challenged in occasionally stalking within 20-30 yards of a deer, or positioning a stand to put themselves that close. So I don't see how you can argue the range factor as being a huge issue from that standpoint. If I want to shoot a deer at 20 yards, I'll take my bow, it's a hell of a lot more of an adrenaline rush. End of story. As for people not knowing the equipment and skills involved, it's just simple ignorance. I was at a 100-yard range working up loads for my muzzleloader last fall and was getting mad because the load I was working up was throwing 2-inch groups. I heard the guy next to me say about his group "that's good enough, we're not trying to shoot quarters." I swung my scope over to his target....10 inch 100 yard group with a scoped .270 off a bench! With hundreds of shooters like that around, I guess it isn't surprising that they (and all those that observe their misadventures) don't think long-range hunting is ethical from the perspective of wounding/missing animals. I experience this a lot since my only "long range" experience is muzzleloading to 300 yards. People tell me all the time it's irresponsible and unethical. They don't bother to check that my spitzer bullets have more energy and velocity at 300 yards than a legal round ball at 40 yards, or that I shoot 4-5 inch groups sitting off a bipod at 300. I'm brand-new here, absorbing the info for the day I can get into centerfire long-range fun. Very helpful forum from what I've seen. [/QUOTE]
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