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<blockquote data-quote="mnoland30" data-source="post: 2748239" data-attributes="member: 29323"><p>I'm a fan of high SD (sectional density) for elk. One reason the 6.5 has been so effective on game is that the 140 bullet has a little higher SD than a 180 gr. .308. I know I much prefer the recoil of a 140 gr bullet over a 180 gr. Offhand, I shoot my 120 gr. 7-30 Waters much better than my 7mm WSM. Recoil can be overcome, but most shooters (present company excluded) don't shoot enough to master it. </p><p></p><p>As for bloodshot meat, my 405 gr. .45 muzzleloader bullet with 1800 fps muzzle velocity kills elk very well, with a minimum of bloodshot meat. </p><p></p><p>The one complaint I've heard about Bergers is that the tips sometimes get folded and don't expand. This can be fixed by using a pin drill to make sure the tips are open. I've shot javelina, deer, aoudad, elk, and ibex with 168 gr. 7mm going 2850 at the muzzle. I've killed two elk at 340 yards. It killed one so quickly, that I thought I missed when a second elk I hadn't seen appeared. The second elk took about 3 steps and rolled down the hill. </p><p></p><p>My first bull was killed at about 250 yards with a 7mm 140 gr. Barnes X bullet from a 7mm Mag. There was no blood trail, but I didn't need it, since it only went 35 yards. I started using the 160 gr. bullet with a SD of .283, and I got quick kills and exit wounds. I like Barnes because at close range and high velocity, they don't fall apart. I've used the 120 gr. TTSX at 2400 fps to kill 4 aoudad. None ran. </p><p></p><p>One way to compare the 300 WM to 6.5 PRC is to look at Berger's EOL ammuntion for the two cartridges. 300 WM definitely wins with energy at 400 yards with 2365 Ft-Lbs. vs. 2045 for the 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 barely wins in velocity with 2429 vs. 2399 fps. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for elk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mnoland30, post: 2748239, member: 29323"] I'm a fan of high SD (sectional density) for elk. One reason the 6.5 has been so effective on game is that the 140 bullet has a little higher SD than a 180 gr. .308. I know I much prefer the recoil of a 140 gr bullet over a 180 gr. Offhand, I shoot my 120 gr. 7-30 Waters much better than my 7mm WSM. Recoil can be overcome, but most shooters (present company excluded) don't shoot enough to master it. As for bloodshot meat, my 405 gr. .45 muzzleloader bullet with 1800 fps muzzle velocity kills elk very well, with a minimum of bloodshot meat. The one complaint I've heard about Bergers is that the tips sometimes get folded and don't expand. This can be fixed by using a pin drill to make sure the tips are open. I've shot javelina, deer, aoudad, elk, and ibex with 168 gr. 7mm going 2850 at the muzzle. I've killed two elk at 340 yards. It killed one so quickly, that I thought I missed when a second elk I hadn't seen appeared. The second elk took about 3 steps and rolled down the hill. My first bull was killed at about 250 yards with a 7mm 140 gr. Barnes X bullet from a 7mm Mag. There was no blood trail, but I didn't need it, since it only went 35 yards. I started using the 160 gr. bullet with a SD of .283, and I got quick kills and exit wounds. I like Barnes because at close range and high velocity, they don't fall apart. I've used the 120 gr. TTSX at 2400 fps to kill 4 aoudad. None ran. One way to compare the 300 WM to 6.5 PRC is to look at Berger's EOL ammuntion for the two cartridges. 300 WM definitely wins with energy at 400 yards with 2365 Ft-Lbs. vs. 2045 for the 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 barely wins in velocity with 2429 vs. 2399 fps. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for elk. [/QUOTE]
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