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<blockquote data-quote="RT2506" data-source="post: 1661611" data-attributes="member: 10178"><p>I have only used ONE Berger bullet to shoot a deer. 155 gr OLD Target VLD which is now called their hunting bullet. It was fired from a 30x47 at 2600 fps. Deer was a 130ish lb doe standing almost broad side at 111 yards in a logging road that ran between to East NC cutovers. I placed the bullet into the center of her front shoulder. At the shot she squatted and took off like a race horse into the THICK JUNGLE of a cutover. On the offside of where she was standing it looked like you had taken a quart jar of blood and lung tissue that had been put in a food processor and slung it in a line down the path for about 5 yards. From that spot there was NO BLOOD that I could find and I was on my hands and knees crawling up a game trail because it was so thick into the cutover with green briar and about 8 foot pine trees and mess. I found the deer about 50 yards up the trail. Bullet had hit center of right shoulder and exit was just behind the left shoulder. The exit hole in the hide was so large that I could have dropped a baseball into it without it touching the sides. The deer sloshed on the inside. I guess the reason that I found no blood was there was nothing left to pump any out and it all pooled in the lower chest and did not leak out. Upon processing the deer it's whole front end was destroyed. I went back to using the 125 gr Nosler BT at 2850 fps and with same shoulder shots it does less damage and 99% of the time drops the deer in their tracks so I don't have to crawl around in a cut over.</p><p>I have killed hundreds of deer over the past 48 years, did crop damage control for 15 years. I have used about everything from a sharp stick to a 45-70 to kill deer with. I have used numerous makers bullets and styles. One thing I have learned is that stuff happens that you can't explain sometimes. Like in my experience the 7mm Mag is the worst deer caliber I have ever used. I tell people that I can not carry enough flashlight batteries to hunt with one because it takes so long to trail one up in the dark I had to look so long because it ran so far. Did not matter the bullets used if it was not a CNS shot they ran off. Now that was my experience, others swear by the 7mm Mag and say everything they shoot with one is DRT. I used the 168 Sierra Match King in both 30-06 and 308 Win and had pretty good success but every now and then, maybe 1 in 25 or so deer shot there would be no expansion exhibited and every now and then I could not find the deer in the thick jungle about the farm fields that they ran off into and left no blood trail. After seeing some of these bullets that had hit in the berm on the target range I came to the conclusion what must be happening. I would find bullets in the berm that the nose had either just bent over sideways folding back along the side of the bullet or some had just riveted with the nose folding back into it's self. Other would explode on impact and you just saw jacket pieces and some lead scattered. Maybe those occasional Burger pencils are doing the same fold or riveting. If you hunt long enough you will put a bad shot on game and it may or may not be your fault. I have had game move at the instant the trigger broke. When using a 45-70 Sharps copy shooting 420 gr bullets pushed 1400 fps by black powder. I was shooting from a solid rest on sand bags from a shooting house and point of aim was center of the chest on a deer facing me at 111 yards. Same place in road as example above. By the time I fired and the bullet got there the deer put it's head down and the bullet struck just above eye level between the eyes DRT. Last deer I lost was standing broadside just over 200 yards. I was shooting a 25-06 with 117 Sierra Pro Hunters that is DEADLY. Just as the trigger broke the deer turned going away and was struck in the gut. Could not find any blood trail at all and area was so thick you would have to step on a deer to find it. Three days latter it was found because buzzards were on it. I had walked within feet of it without being able to see it. Stuff happens and we can only except it and move on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RT2506, post: 1661611, member: 10178"] I have only used ONE Berger bullet to shoot a deer. 155 gr OLD Target VLD which is now called their hunting bullet. It was fired from a 30x47 at 2600 fps. Deer was a 130ish lb doe standing almost broad side at 111 yards in a logging road that ran between to East NC cutovers. I placed the bullet into the center of her front shoulder. At the shot she squatted and took off like a race horse into the THICK JUNGLE of a cutover. On the offside of where she was standing it looked like you had taken a quart jar of blood and lung tissue that had been put in a food processor and slung it in a line down the path for about 5 yards. From that spot there was NO BLOOD that I could find and I was on my hands and knees crawling up a game trail because it was so thick into the cutover with green briar and about 8 foot pine trees and mess. I found the deer about 50 yards up the trail. Bullet had hit center of right shoulder and exit was just behind the left shoulder. The exit hole in the hide was so large that I could have dropped a baseball into it without it touching the sides. The deer sloshed on the inside. I guess the reason that I found no blood was there was nothing left to pump any out and it all pooled in the lower chest and did not leak out. Upon processing the deer it's whole front end was destroyed. I went back to using the 125 gr Nosler BT at 2850 fps and with same shoulder shots it does less damage and 99% of the time drops the deer in their tracks so I don't have to crawl around in a cut over. I have killed hundreds of deer over the past 48 years, did crop damage control for 15 years. I have used about everything from a sharp stick to a 45-70 to kill deer with. I have used numerous makers bullets and styles. One thing I have learned is that stuff happens that you can't explain sometimes. Like in my experience the 7mm Mag is the worst deer caliber I have ever used. I tell people that I can not carry enough flashlight batteries to hunt with one because it takes so long to trail one up in the dark I had to look so long because it ran so far. Did not matter the bullets used if it was not a CNS shot they ran off. Now that was my experience, others swear by the 7mm Mag and say everything they shoot with one is DRT. I used the 168 Sierra Match King in both 30-06 and 308 Win and had pretty good success but every now and then, maybe 1 in 25 or so deer shot there would be no expansion exhibited and every now and then I could not find the deer in the thick jungle about the farm fields that they ran off into and left no blood trail. After seeing some of these bullets that had hit in the berm on the target range I came to the conclusion what must be happening. I would find bullets in the berm that the nose had either just bent over sideways folding back along the side of the bullet or some had just riveted with the nose folding back into it's self. Other would explode on impact and you just saw jacket pieces and some lead scattered. Maybe those occasional Burger pencils are doing the same fold or riveting. If you hunt long enough you will put a bad shot on game and it may or may not be your fault. I have had game move at the instant the trigger broke. When using a 45-70 Sharps copy shooting 420 gr bullets pushed 1400 fps by black powder. I was shooting from a solid rest on sand bags from a shooting house and point of aim was center of the chest on a deer facing me at 111 yards. Same place in road as example above. By the time I fired and the bullet got there the deer put it's head down and the bullet struck just above eye level between the eyes DRT. Last deer I lost was standing broadside just over 200 yards. I was shooting a 25-06 with 117 Sierra Pro Hunters that is DEADLY. Just as the trigger broke the deer turned going away and was struck in the gut. Could not find any blood trail at all and area was so thick you would have to step on a deer to find it. Three days latter it was found because buzzards were on it. I had walked within feet of it without being able to see it. Stuff happens and we can only except it and move on. [/QUOTE]
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