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<blockquote data-quote="iflyskyhigh" data-source="post: 2149722" data-attributes="member: 66952"><p>Mikes Reloading Bench Annealer. Great product. Fairly priced for the quality you are getting. It's light years ahead of the Annealez Machine in build quality and really doesn't cost that much more. Comes with everything you need to do every caliber you will shoot. Nothing extra to buy.</p><p></p><p>Great customer service as well. Had mine about year and half. One of the motors went out. Emailed Mike. Called me within minutes. Did a little trouble shooting to isolate the problem. Had a new motor to me in a couple days. Free of charge.</p><p></p><p>It's a great machine if you are doing large amounts of brass.</p><p></p><p>I make my own 300 BO and annealing really is the finally key step if you go this route. And I shoot a lot of 300 B.O.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These "I've been doing it this way for 150 years and I'm not changing" comments always make me smile.</p><p></p><p>I'm always learning and open to new information. And more importantly I'm open to being wrong, something more of us could use a little more of. Makes a person better at everything they do. With that in mind this is said with no ill will or claimed expertise. Just observations.</p><p></p><p>Just like most other reloading equipment, once you have the initial investment made it will last a very long time and cost little to operate. Propane is cheap. At least for now.</p><p></p><p>There is a reason that the factory anneals it's brass before loading. Maybe not the same reason we do, but never the less, they wouldn't do it if it didn't matter.</p><p></p><p>Annealing does make a difference. It leads to much more consistent neck tension and longer case life. These are just facts. Maybe you can argue that constant neck tension and longer case life isn't necessary for your application which is fine. But, consistent neck tension leads to lower SD's and ES's, and less bullet runout (all other things equal and considered). AND the longer you stretch the yardage out, the more difference that stuff makes. Never say never, but I had very little luck getting single digit SD's, and ES's in the low teens until I started annealing.</p><p></p><p>Again, you probably don't need to anneal every piece of brass that comes across your bench. Depends on the application. But to make a blanket "it's not necessary comment" isn't accurate.</p><p></p><p>I don't anneal my bulk 223/5.56 brass. I don't care about case life, and I'm not shooting more than a couple hundred yards. It would probably be a waste of time for me for this application.</p><p></p><p>I do anneal my nice LC 5.56 brass, mostly because I care about case life, but it does produce a little better results in my AR's and bolt guns out to 500 yards or so. Probably not a ton of difference, but again it's more about keeping the cases going.</p><p></p><p>I also anneal every piece of LC 308 match brass every time. And it for sure makes a difference. Both in accuracy at range and case life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iflyskyhigh, post: 2149722, member: 66952"] Mikes Reloading Bench Annealer. Great product. Fairly priced for the quality you are getting. It's light years ahead of the Annealez Machine in build quality and really doesn't cost that much more. Comes with everything you need to do every caliber you will shoot. Nothing extra to buy. Great customer service as well. Had mine about year and half. One of the motors went out. Emailed Mike. Called me within minutes. Did a little trouble shooting to isolate the problem. Had a new motor to me in a couple days. Free of charge. It's a great machine if you are doing large amounts of brass. I make my own 300 BO and annealing really is the finally key step if you go this route. And I shoot a lot of 300 B.O. These "I've been doing it this way for 150 years and I'm not changing" comments always make me smile. I'm always learning and open to new information. And more importantly I'm open to being wrong, something more of us could use a little more of. Makes a person better at everything they do. With that in mind this is said with no ill will or claimed expertise. Just observations. Just like most other reloading equipment, once you have the initial investment made it will last a very long time and cost little to operate. Propane is cheap. At least for now. There is a reason that the factory anneals it's brass before loading. Maybe not the same reason we do, but never the less, they wouldn't do it if it didn't matter. Annealing does make a difference. It leads to much more consistent neck tension and longer case life. These are just facts. Maybe you can argue that constant neck tension and longer case life isn't necessary for your application which is fine. But, consistent neck tension leads to lower SD's and ES's, and less bullet runout (all other things equal and considered). AND the longer you stretch the yardage out, the more difference that stuff makes. Never say never, but I had very little luck getting single digit SD's, and ES's in the low teens until I started annealing. Again, you probably don't need to anneal every piece of brass that comes across your bench. Depends on the application. But to make a blanket "it's not necessary comment" isn't accurate. I don't anneal my bulk 223/5.56 brass. I don't care about case life, and I'm not shooting more than a couple hundred yards. It would probably be a waste of time for me for this application. I do anneal my nice LC 5.56 brass, mostly because I care about case life, but it does produce a little better results in my AR's and bolt guns out to 500 yards or so. Probably not a ton of difference, but again it's more about keeping the cases going. I also anneal every piece of LC 308 match brass every time. And it for sure makes a difference. Both in accuracy at range and case life. [/QUOTE]
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