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<blockquote data-quote="longrangehunterII" data-source="post: 1085156" data-attributes="member: 61185"><p>My own experience growing up in Michigan was all short range shooting, with either gun or a bow measured in feet not yards. </p><p></p><p>But when I first went out west to hunt Pronghorn, those shots grew to be hundreds of yards, but I also was more then comfortable with my ability to take Game cleanly with a single shot. I'd get as close as possible and kept shots to under 450 yards. That was my own personal limits and if I didn't like the shot I wouldn't take it! Period. </p><p></p><p>I later moved out West to Montana and finding cover is or shall I say can or does get a little tricky depending on where you're hunting? I've guided friends to deer as close as 10 feet only to be forced not to take a shot because she couldn't move to make the shot on the standing deer below us. Only a few days later to have them make a shot at almost 300 yards. Both times these were by anyones terms great hunting and ethical.</p><p></p><p>I've let go more then 100/1 more game then I've ever taken in my lifetime. Long range shooting does have a place in hunting simply because your window of opportunity is diminishing with each moment you wait in some instances. </p><p></p><p>I missed taking one of the largest Bears I've ever seen because I felt I should get closer? Dumb because I had already killed a Moose in the same spot a few years earlier at 319 yards and a Woodland Caribou two days before across a lake at 449 yards. We watched this Black Bear feeding on the opposite hillside of us after spotting it over a mile away. The Bear was only 300+ yards away, but my thinking was this is a big Bear and it may be more prudent to get closer? I could have clearly taken my sweet time to get settled in behind my rifle and send one of those 210 XLC when I felt the perfect moment to release the bullet. After all I was sitting on the mountain top where I could have gotten prone and made a perfect shot but No I thought I should get closer! </p><p></p><p>But no that didn't happen. I may have gotten closer but we somehow managed to get upwind of that Bear and it was seen running full blast for over a mile toward Ottawa and we were in Newfoundland! Later that day I did see another Bear near the top of a mountain from the lake below that I hiked up to. As I got closer towards the top I found a crack to stay out of site of where I thought the bear was? Little did I know when I reached the top of the mountain through this crack that Bear was feeding right towards me less the 20' feet away! </p><p></p><p>I stood and watched that Bear walk within less then 8 feet of me! I didn't even raise my gun because that Bear was too small. It was a Bear but I don't collect Bears like people collect baseball cards. Point being for me it's a personal thing to harvest an Animal or not and how I do it. I either do it for meat and/or the sport of the game.</p><p></p><p>Hunting is just that..... hunting. Which has nothing to with the killing aspect of the sport, that's the end result which doesn't always mean my time was successful or not? To me if I see Game or get to the point of no return whether or not I take an Animal has little to do with how exciting it was? Sometimes the rush is just getting there, but anytime I lose due to my own fault that sucks and I learn from those mistakes! </p><p></p><p>Mistakes or not sometimes getting closer may or may not have a better outcome? Long distance does tend to keep the game Animals at ease if they don't have any clue you're there vs. being alert because they sense something is "not right" with this picture? In the end everything has to be thought through of what's the best option for the moment, but that window of opportunity doesn't always get better. Luck or not does play a role in hunting to some extent, but not when to pull the trigger in my opinion. That should be thought through on a individual basis on whether or not to take the shot? A offhand running shot close range may or may not have a great outcome and one I would more then 99% of the time pass up vs. the long range standing feeding shot less then 600 yards away. But that's my personal feelings, which has nothing to do with B&C's opinion on the matter. </p><p></p><p>Advancements have come a long way in the last few years towards more ethical LR shots on game. A guy behind a custom tack driving rifle with a tactical scope using a ballistic app and range finder is not like twenty years ago. BDC reticles are far from perfect but so was Kentucky windage, either way the game has evolved into making long range shots more doable as long as the person behind the gun has done their homework.</p><p></p><p>As good as I think I am at long range shooting, there is always someone better then me at every long range precision tactical shooting match I attend. I know my limits while out hunting, if I have the time and can get comfortable with the shot in a no wind situation or little of it, and the animal is in a position that gives me lots of exposure to the vitals. It's thought through enough to insure success or I'll pass for another/better chance another day or season. It's just not that important to me to mess it up otherwise, which is why I like hunting........ it's all about the hunt, not the killing of the animal. </p><p></p><p>Those animals deserve our respect, God knows those tractor trailer and car hits are far worse to see and happen a lot more often but do we ever hear about that mishap? Talk about ugly, so to those that think hunting is awful or cruel look at that smear of deer, and the two fawns next to there mother or the elk wiped all over the highway that looks like a bad painters dream on the road? Now that's a waste of good meat gone to waste, so why would long range hunting be targeted.......... drama queens that have nothing better to talk about just because of freedom of speech. Like there's nothing else more important to do, but Hey, we're easy targets rather then tackle real issues......... How about if they just looked at how much land gets eaten up by noxious weeds and loss of habitat all over the US. Oh, that cost money to address and B&C would rather point their finger then spend money on a real danger to wildlife, but hey, those rich guys hunt ranches or Indian Reservations like the White Mountain. For a lot of people public lands being invaded by weeds isn't on their mind, big antlers and being in the books is more cool. They'd go broke taking on the invasive weed issues our country has going on, and not just public lands but even private lands as well. </p><p></p><p>You'd think they'd put issues at risk to the top of there agenda, not propaganda.</p><p></p><p>I could go on but I wont, but there are more issues then just a quick fix. An educated person would know better, need I say more..........</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="longrangehunterII, post: 1085156, member: 61185"] My own experience growing up in Michigan was all short range shooting, with either gun or a bow measured in feet not yards. But when I first went out west to hunt Pronghorn, those shots grew to be hundreds of yards, but I also was more then comfortable with my ability to take Game cleanly with a single shot. I'd get as close as possible and kept shots to under 450 yards. That was my own personal limits and if I didn't like the shot I wouldn't take it! Period. I later moved out West to Montana and finding cover is or shall I say can or does get a little tricky depending on where you're hunting? I've guided friends to deer as close as 10 feet only to be forced not to take a shot because she couldn't move to make the shot on the standing deer below us. Only a few days later to have them make a shot at almost 300 yards. Both times these were by anyones terms great hunting and ethical. I've let go more then 100/1 more game then I've ever taken in my lifetime. Long range shooting does have a place in hunting simply because your window of opportunity is diminishing with each moment you wait in some instances. I missed taking one of the largest Bears I've ever seen because I felt I should get closer? Dumb because I had already killed a Moose in the same spot a few years earlier at 319 yards and a Woodland Caribou two days before across a lake at 449 yards. We watched this Black Bear feeding on the opposite hillside of us after spotting it over a mile away. The Bear was only 300+ yards away, but my thinking was this is a big Bear and it may be more prudent to get closer? I could have clearly taken my sweet time to get settled in behind my rifle and send one of those 210 XLC when I felt the perfect moment to release the bullet. After all I was sitting on the mountain top where I could have gotten prone and made a perfect shot but No I thought I should get closer! But no that didn't happen. I may have gotten closer but we somehow managed to get upwind of that Bear and it was seen running full blast for over a mile toward Ottawa and we were in Newfoundland! Later that day I did see another Bear near the top of a mountain from the lake below that I hiked up to. As I got closer towards the top I found a crack to stay out of site of where I thought the bear was? Little did I know when I reached the top of the mountain through this crack that Bear was feeding right towards me less the 20' feet away! I stood and watched that Bear walk within less then 8 feet of me! I didn't even raise my gun because that Bear was too small. It was a Bear but I don't collect Bears like people collect baseball cards. Point being for me it's a personal thing to harvest an Animal or not and how I do it. I either do it for meat and/or the sport of the game. Hunting is just that..... hunting. Which has nothing to with the killing aspect of the sport, that's the end result which doesn't always mean my time was successful or not? To me if I see Game or get to the point of no return whether or not I take an Animal has little to do with how exciting it was? Sometimes the rush is just getting there, but anytime I lose due to my own fault that sucks and I learn from those mistakes! Mistakes or not sometimes getting closer may or may not have a better outcome? Long distance does tend to keep the game Animals at ease if they don't have any clue you're there vs. being alert because they sense something is "not right" with this picture? In the end everything has to be thought through of what's the best option for the moment, but that window of opportunity doesn't always get better. Luck or not does play a role in hunting to some extent, but not when to pull the trigger in my opinion. That should be thought through on a individual basis on whether or not to take the shot? A offhand running shot close range may or may not have a great outcome and one I would more then 99% of the time pass up vs. the long range standing feeding shot less then 600 yards away. But that's my personal feelings, which has nothing to do with B&C's opinion on the matter. Advancements have come a long way in the last few years towards more ethical LR shots on game. A guy behind a custom tack driving rifle with a tactical scope using a ballistic app and range finder is not like twenty years ago. BDC reticles are far from perfect but so was Kentucky windage, either way the game has evolved into making long range shots more doable as long as the person behind the gun has done their homework. As good as I think I am at long range shooting, there is always someone better then me at every long range precision tactical shooting match I attend. I know my limits while out hunting, if I have the time and can get comfortable with the shot in a no wind situation or little of it, and the animal is in a position that gives me lots of exposure to the vitals. It's thought through enough to insure success or I'll pass for another/better chance another day or season. It's just not that important to me to mess it up otherwise, which is why I like hunting........ it's all about the hunt, not the killing of the animal. Those animals deserve our respect, God knows those tractor trailer and car hits are far worse to see and happen a lot more often but do we ever hear about that mishap? Talk about ugly, so to those that think hunting is awful or cruel look at that smear of deer, and the two fawns next to there mother or the elk wiped all over the highway that looks like a bad painters dream on the road? Now that's a waste of good meat gone to waste, so why would long range hunting be targeted.......... drama queens that have nothing better to talk about just because of freedom of speech. Like there's nothing else more important to do, but Hey, we're easy targets rather then tackle real issues......... How about if they just looked at how much land gets eaten up by noxious weeds and loss of habitat all over the US. Oh, that cost money to address and B&C would rather point their finger then spend money on a real danger to wildlife, but hey, those rich guys hunt ranches or Indian Reservations like the White Mountain. For a lot of people public lands being invaded by weeds isn't on their mind, big antlers and being in the books is more cool. They'd go broke taking on the invasive weed issues our country has going on, and not just public lands but even private lands as well. You'd think they'd put issues at risk to the top of there agenda, not propaganda. I could go on but I wont, but there are more issues then just a quick fix. An educated person would know better, need I say more.......... [/QUOTE]
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