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Best rifel manufacturer for accuracy
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<blockquote data-quote="Bart B" data-source="post: 501853" data-attributes="member: 5302"><p>While this is often stated by many folks, there are others who disagree with it, including me. </p><p></p><p>People who shoot 20 to 30 shots in a row to see how accurate their rifles are and do better than others tend to know that they all will shoot some makes/types of ammo or a given handload very accurate in all of them. When folks shoot a few 3 to 5 shot groups then average them, or even just one 5-shot group, the chances of the result being representative of what the rifle + ammo accuracy is ain't better than about 50%. And most people (including me) add a half MOA (or more) to what the rifle and ammo's capable of 'cause they don't shoot all that well from a bench.</p><p></p><p>Take a good lot of Lake City Arsenal match ammo with metered powder charges with 3/10ths grain spread, new cases holding a bullet with up to 4 or 5 thousandths runout, bullets with the equivalent quality of decent hunting bullets fired through different makes of barrels with different bore/groove diameters, twists from 1:10 to 1:12, length at 22 or 24 inches leaving with a 40 fps spread averaging somewhere between 2500 and 2650 fps. That ammo will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards and 1.5 MOA at 600 yards. And good lots of commercial match ammo shot in the same rifles will shoot 20 to 40 percent better.</p><p></p><p>I've no intention of bursting ones bubble, but this is the reality of accuracy in rifles. The biggest contributor to big groups is us humans. I do not shoot very accurate from a bench holding a rifle with more than 5 foot-pounds of recoil. Most people don't either. So I think most of us (including me) are measuring our few-shot test groups fired from rifles held against our shoulders as they rest on something atop a bench are using a rubber ruler to measure with. The results are stretched all over the place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bart B, post: 501853, member: 5302"] While this is often stated by many folks, there are others who disagree with it, including me. People who shoot 20 to 30 shots in a row to see how accurate their rifles are and do better than others tend to know that they all will shoot some makes/types of ammo or a given handload very accurate in all of them. When folks shoot a few 3 to 5 shot groups then average them, or even just one 5-shot group, the chances of the result being representative of what the rifle + ammo accuracy is ain't better than about 50%. And most people (including me) add a half MOA (or more) to what the rifle and ammo's capable of 'cause they don't shoot all that well from a bench. Take a good lot of Lake City Arsenal match ammo with metered powder charges with 3/10ths grain spread, new cases holding a bullet with up to 4 or 5 thousandths runout, bullets with the equivalent quality of decent hunting bullets fired through different makes of barrels with different bore/groove diameters, twists from 1:10 to 1:12, length at 22 or 24 inches leaving with a 40 fps spread averaging somewhere between 2500 and 2650 fps. That ammo will shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards and 1.5 MOA at 600 yards. And good lots of commercial match ammo shot in the same rifles will shoot 20 to 40 percent better. I've no intention of bursting ones bubble, but this is the reality of accuracy in rifles. The biggest contributor to big groups is us humans. I do not shoot very accurate from a bench holding a rifle with more than 5 foot-pounds of recoil. Most people don't either. So I think most of us (including me) are measuring our few-shot test groups fired from rifles held against our shoulders as they rest on something atop a bench are using a rubber ruler to measure with. The results are stretched all over the place. [/QUOTE]
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